Held weekly at 3:00pm Eastern
9/20 Honda S2000 LM Race Car
45min - 1 hour Event
GT Saturdays is a community event open to anyone who is interested in clean, respectful racing among friends, old or new. After you READ OUR RULES posted below, send a FRIEND REQUEST to GT_Saturday at least an hour before race time.
Race Lounge Proceedure - Go to Online, Open Lobby. Check "Friends Only" and find GT Saturdays lounge. Someone from GT_Saturdays committee will be using the GT Saturday account to host. Friends of friends are technically allowed to join, but we ask that they be made aware of the format of the event before joining. They are welcome to join us, but must read the rules and if they take up too many spots, priority will be given to people who planned on attending by sending a FR to "GT_Saturday".
Our goal is to provide both new and experienced racers a place to share the track. Occasionally, we'll run shorter races, but our focus is on longer races around 45min - 1hr in length with a short pre-race. This gives newcomers to organized racing a taste of what leagues and race series offer. We welcome all clean racers who would like to join us!
Honda S2000 LM Race Car
|Weight (min) Kg||1050|
|Tire Restriction||Racing Hard|
|9/27||Sarthe 2013||One-Hour "endurance"|
|Start Type||Grid Start w/ False Start Check|
|Grid Order||Based on Previous Race Results|
|Race Finish Delay||180 sec|
|Tire Wear/Fuel Consumption||Normal (TBD)|
|Mandatory Pit Stop(s)||No|
|Force Tire Type Change||No|
|Grip Reduction when Off Track||Real|
|Skid Force Recovery||Off|
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Our Racing Etiquette and Rules:
Participants should cooperate with these rules to the best of their ability. Enforcement of rules will be on an 'as needed' basis, and usually is not necessary for our regular racers.
GT Saturdays races are usually run with penalties turned off, so we rely on self-moderation and review of replays to determine any foul-play. Conduct yourself honorably, and that's exactly how you'll be seen! Remember that the goal here is not always to win, but to have the people you're racing with actually enjoy racing with you!
Race Room Etiquette - In most cases our races are run in a private lounge, where technically everyone has access to room settings and starting races. No one who is not on the planning committee or designated by said committee should change any room settings without permission.
Current GT Saturdays Committee
May suggest RM's over RH's...?
RM's will allow you to push a little in the few corners, and will allow for some heat issues that will both affect tire wear and add a slight penalty for "over the top" tuning of the chassis. Hard's pretty much just wear... It'd be worth a test or two to verify at any rate, but any variable that can reward good strategy, set up and driving ability is better than a tire that wears pretty much the same regardless.
Just a thought.
Maybe I just still hate RH's. Almost as much as I hate RS's...
I can try... Currently trying to get the swelling on my jaw down and stay awake. I got lucky, the tooth came out whole, but there's been a lot more bleeding than there should be. Just got to keep it from infection and survive a liquid diet for a few days. The pain pills are pretty good though...
Speeds would be a concern with open choice... In my head I'd wonder about whether you'd have to pit too often with Softs, especially with so few "corners" to really take advantage of them. It seems you'd just wear them out on the straights. But I can see a good 20-30 second lap time difference, and the pit delta isn't horrifically long.
Hards may have an issue holding temps. It'll depend on DF, which because of the long straights you'll likely have turned down at least some. That'll mean the tires cooling off in a light car and then sudden braking for the chicanes. Hards don't handle that very well, they can go red in a hurry same as softs and can lose a bunch of wear from skidding while cool. I also find hards to just be too predictable both in wear and in constant sudden cold/hot/cold/hot/cold behavior. If they last long enough to heat up, they'll be OK, but Sarthe has such a vast difference in type of track depending on where you are I wonder if it's just an invitation to tire issues in a car that light and nimble.
The mediums will still give some grip while cold making the chicanes a bit less treacherous, and they still offer the penalty of overheating as the others do, but without the sudden hemorrhoidal like flare up. It tends to give you just enough time to react, which allows you to push that little bit when you have to. It also occurs to me that the RM's don't mind going red once, it's only after that they start giving slip and slide fits and accelerated wear. The RS and RH tend to start right off giving you issues.
As stickiness relates to heat more than ever, too much DF will make for almost white under stress, just at the lose grip point. That will come fast with RH and RS, but will take a little time with RM's. White tires are slippery buggers, and I must say I really hate the accelerated cold hot cold cycle that RS and RH tires can suffer. It's either ton o grip, no grip, ton o grip or no grip, sliding no grip and then no grip.
The downside is that it takes RM's longer to get rid of that condition, so it's a "live by the sword, die by the sword kind" of thing. As long as you take care of them, you can get extra laps out of RM's. Or you can go for broke and treat them like softs and change them just as often. It's more controllable by the driver and what he or she wants to accomplish as opposed to dictated to by the tires model being a little off.
I wouldn't even consider softs, they simply don't impress me at all. I'd rather race Sport softs than Race softs. Hards are like ice skating. You skate when they're cold, then you get some heat in them and you either lose it and skate or over heat them and skate. Either way it's an afternoon with Peggy Flemming. They just get hot way too fast or stay too cold and wear the same either way.
For me, RM's have always been choice because you have the benefit of both race tires with some unique wear and penalties the other 2 don't give you... Usually because they just wore away to quick from being too soft or too cold.
RM's have always felt like the most realistic representation of a real world tire to me. Sports softs and Meds are now that way too. Even Comfort softs feel pretty realistic to me now. They've come a long way since 2.0 even, but not quite there yet.
I'd slap a set of RM's on and see how many laps you can go. Then do the same with RH's. If they're anywhere close, RM's. If it's 2x the laps with hards, I'd go with RM's anyway just to make pit entry and exit and pit delta time a variable to contend with.
You know me.
Anything I can do to mess with only caring about the "driver" part and bring attention to the rest of the racing parts.
like the new thread.
thanks for taking the initiative crow
I'd like to continue to help out with GT Saturdays after taking a break, but not for a couple more weeksly, probably.
let's keep the legacy of this great social event going!
these are definitely slow months for gaming because of vacations and other things going on, and the forum change unfortunately in my opinion slowed down posting from regulars... I like the new format, but people aren't posting...
I'll try to be around on Saturday but I'm not sure yet.