This reminds me of the analog vs button control debates for fight night round 4. Though analog gave logical control scheme to punches, people used to button mashing felt handicaped and forced developers to add button layout. For me, it is wrong. Only thing customizable should be button assignments and axis speed. Weapon weight is a games feature and you should accept it as it is or dont play it. That feature can give or take advantage and it is not fair in multiplayer. For single player I dont care. Do whatever you want, use aim assist and stuff like that you want but online multiplayer should stay the same for everybody.
fireindahole_1 wrote:
Look around people. Tons of people are having problems with the controls. There is no reason to play like a 600 pound slob. Also to the people saying go away go play COD. You guys are smart, tell everyone to go away when they don't like an aspect of your "god" of a game. If the game is flawed then I'm going to mention it. What Guerilla games should is add an option for those who want to play without the weight. If you want to play with the weight go ahead as well. Why do you guys think handicapping yourself to a "different" control scheme = skill. FIX THE CONTROLS and I gaurantee this game will sell triple.
I don't have any issues with the controls. Oh, wait. I'm a gamer. I can learn, adapt, and overcome. Sorry I'm not some stagnant fool with a need to get a handicap for every little thing. The only people complaining about the controls are people who have become, too accustomed to the user friendly, easy pick up & play arcade style of CoD games. I wish people would stop trying to make GG fit the game to their needs, and their handicap. It's not wanted honestly. Sure they could sell a lot more if they catered to the complainers who want everything their way. Though I'm glad they don't cater to those people like yourself. Why? Because, I don't have to put up with you in game. It's annoying alone seeing all the threads, and post providing nothing "positive".
I swear people complain anymore just to complain for the sake of it. It's like suing McDonalds because, you spilled hot coffee in your lap, and saying you didn't know it was hot. That is how the complainers like yourself sound.
Call me a fanboy. I don't care. Every game has problems, but complaining, and "constructive" criticism are two different things. What you are doing is complaining to suit the game to your handicap. Debating between "spawn grenades", or "TSP" is another issue with two valid argument points for example.
The masses are never happy anymore with what they have.
Rorek_IronBlood wrote:
fireindahole_1 wrote:
Look around people. Tons of people are having problems with the controls. There is no reason to play like a 600 pound slob. Also to the people saying go away go play COD. You guys are smart, tell everyone to go away when they don't like an aspect of your "god" of a game. If the game is flawed then I'm going to mention it. What Guerilla games should is add an option for those who want to play without the weight. If you want to play with the weight go ahead as well. Why do you guys think handicapping yourself to a "different" control scheme = skill. FIX THE CONTROLS and I gaurantee this game will sell triple.
I don't have any issues with the controls. Oh, wait. I'm a gamer. I can learn, adapt, and overcome. Sorry I'm not some stagnant fool with a need to get a handicap for every little thing. The only people complaining about the controls are people who have become, too accustomed to the user friendly, easy pick up & play arcade style of CoD games. I wish people would stop trying to make GG fit the game to their needs, and their handicap. It's not wanted honestly. Sure they could sell a lot more if they catered to the complainers who want everything their way. Though I'm glad they don't cater to those people like yourself. Why? Because, I don't have to put up with you in game. It's annoying alone seeing all the threads, and post providing nothing "positive".
I swear people complain anymore just to complain for the sake of it. It's like suing McDonalds because, you spilled hot coffee in your lap, and saying you didn't know it was hot. That is how the complainers like yourself sound.
Call me a fanboy. I don't care. Every game has problems, but complaining, and "constructive" criticism are two different things. What you are doing is complaining to suit the game to your handicap. Debating between "spawn grenades", or "TSP" is another issue with two valid argument points for example.
The masses are never happy anymore with what they have.
And I thought players were complaining because the game has become a COD hybrid...
This makes me wonder if people go on the Gran Turismo forums and complain it doesn't handle like Burnout.
I don't like how many games control such as Gears of War, Fallout 3 and even Uncharted, the difference is that the only thing wrong with those games is how i play them. I see nothing technically wrong with their controls to complain about, they all seem polished to a fine shean, i just don't get on with them yet i know for other players it fits them like a glove... I accept not every style of play is for me and that's what this Killzone complaint boils down to, show me random guys with wives on their backs turning for 30 seconds with replica weapons or assume the game won't sell or the community will go stale you can't change peoples opinions and should never use assumptions to prove a point. I assumed the wii would be a fad in it's first year and sales would slow to a crawl afterwards, i was proven wrong and had to hold my hands up to it but back to the topic at hand...
I hope they keep the controls the way they are cause i love em, majority or not that's my opinion. Whether it means more or less sales for GG isn't my concern, whether it means maximum amount of players doesn't bother me, if they decide to continually change the game to suite those needs then fine it's their call, i'd respect them for sticking as close to their initial vision as possible than a commitee driven FPS encorperating so many people's ideas that it loose's it's identity.
the thing that is honestly driving me crazy is reading posts where people say that making the controls more responsive made the game "unbalanced." what on earth could that possibly mean?
right now, I love KZ3. it's not perfect, but it's pretty amazing. the controls are much tighter, ADS and reload are smoking fast - health is down and damage is up - you drop people with a couple bullets instead of a couple clips. do these items actually make the game unbalanced? if I see you first, aim first, and shoot first - you should be dead before I am. that's not unbalanced, that's what FPS is all about .
bottom line is that with the changes, I don't see groups of people strafing around madly in figure eights like drunken alien figure skaters with futuristic firearms (which is exactly how I'd sum up KZ2).
fireindahole_1 wrote:
Guess what in life people want the best. If YOU want to handicap yourself to slow and unprecise controls thats you. What's with labeling everyone a COD player, I don't even like COD. It seems when fanboys have no argument they use the COD excuse. Guess what good fighter game players use good sticks to help them win, athletes use the best equiptment to help them win. When I'm playing the game I want the best controls. I want to have fun playing the game. Why do you want to adapt to slow, and heavy controls.
If you want to play with the ignorant 100 people that will be left after a month go ahead. However a real gamer should be there to have fun, not to adjust to some wierd control scheme. That's like me saying since you don't use a broken mouse your a noob at fpses. Your logic is skewd and ignorant. Fix the controls.
I'm not handicaping myself. So, your point in this statement is what now? You on the otherhand seem to the one unable to adapt to "different" controls. Not my problem.
Labeling? Did I just call you, or anyone else personally CoD lovers? No. However, it's a fact that people prefer things being "easy", or "easier" for them. As in a "handicap". Which is what many, and yourself alike are crying for. CoD just happens to be such a game. If I'm so, wrong what game were you using as a refference.
... Talk about a hypocrite. You say I was the one labeling, but here you are flatout accusing me of being a fanboy. Thats like the pot calling the kettle black.
I'm not the one having problems adapting to anything. The controls are excellent. I enjoyed the controls even back in KILLZONE2 before the patch, and even after the patch. I was able to play accordingly. KILLZONE3 controls work just fine for me though. Must be a problem for those too addicted to "easy", and "simple" player friendly games.
... Alright. Your point is here? Fighting, and Racing genre games are much different then the FPS genre. I'll tell you what though. Buy, and use the recent addition to the PS3. The Move. There you go. Best controls. Thats a loose term at best. Who's to say what is best? Whats best for one player is not for another. However, it's more proper to standardize the conrtols for each game. That way it's fair, and even. What you call sluggish I say is fine. It's not Halo, or BattleField. It's not a Medal of Honor, or Call of Duty game. It's KILLZONE3. Try wearing over fifty pounds of gear while trudging around with a full size weapon in your hands. Again. KILLZONE is not any of those games.
The only "ignorant" players are ones crying for no reason. Reminds me of some of the people posting here. I'd rather play with people who accept the game for what it is then play with somoene who cries like yourself.
KILLZONE3's beta is fun. Maybe not for you, but I am enjoying it. Just as much as I enjoy the controls. There's nothing weird about the controls in my opinion. Then again. I can play one game, and instantly play another completly different game. I bet you are the type of person who would complain about anything if it did not suit your style. Oh, wait... You already are.
My logic? Really? Go, look in the mirror. Who's the one literally b^tching, and crying to have the controls changed to suit their needs, and their handicap? Honestly. Check yourself first there.
Rorek_IronBlood wrote:
fireindahole_1 wrote:
Guess what in life people want the best. If YOU want to handicap yourself to slow and unprecise controls thats you. What's with labeling everyone a COD player, I don't even like COD. It seems when fanboys have no argument they use the COD excuse. Guess what good fighter game players use good sticks to help them win, athletes use the best equiptment to help them win. When I'm playing the game I want the best controls. I want to have fun playing the game. Why do you want to adapt to slow, and heavy controls.
If you want to play with the ignorant 100 people that will be left after a month go ahead. However a real gamer should be there to have fun, not to adjust to some wierd control scheme. That's like me saying since you don't use a broken mouse your a noob at fpses. Your logic is skewd and ignorant. Fix the controls.
I'm not handicaping myself. So, your point in this statement is what now? You on the otherhand seem to the one unable to adapt to "different" controls. Not my problem.
Labeling? Did I just call you, or anyone else personally CoD lovers? No. However, it's a fact that people prefer things being "easy", or "easier" for them. As in a "handicap". Which is what many, and yourself alike are crying for. CoD just happens to be such a game. If I'm so, wrong what game were you using as a refference.
... Talk about a hypocrite. You say I was the one labeling, but here you are flatout accusing me of being a fanboy. Thats like the pot calling the kettle black.
I'm not the one having problems adapting to anything. The controls are excellent. I enjoyed the controls even back in KILLZONE2 before the patch, and even after the patch. I was able to play accordingly. KILLZONE3 controls work just fine for me though. Must be a problem for those too addicted to "easy", and "simple" player friendly games.
... Alright. Your point is here? Fighting, and Racing genre games are much different then the FPS genre. I'll tell you what though. Buy, and use the recent addition to the PS3. The Move. There you go. Best controls. Thats a loose term at best. Who's to say what is best? Whats best for one player is not for another. However, it's more proper to standardize the conrtols for each game. That way it's fair, and even. What you call sluggish I say is fine. It's not Halo, or BattleField. It's not a Medal of Honor, or Call of Duty game. It's KILLZONE3. Try wearing over fifty pounds of gear while trudging around with a full size weapon in your hands. Again. KILLZONE is not any of those games.
The only "ignorant" players are ones crying for no reason. Reminds me of some of the people posting here. I'd rather play with people who accept the game for what it is then play with somoene who cries like yourself.
KILLZONE3's beta is fun. Maybe not for you, but I am enjoying it. Just as much as I enjoy the controls. There's nothing weird about the controls in my opinion. Then again. I can play one game, and instantly play another completly different game. I bet you are the type of person who would complain about anything if it did not suit your style. Oh, wait... You already are.
My logic? Really? Go, look in the mirror. Who's the one literally b^tching, and crying to have the controls changed to suit their needs, and their handicap? Honestly. Check yourself first there.
Yes, you are handicapping yourself. You are playing with inferior controls thats a fact, you cannot refute the fact that the controls are unprecise. My ability to adapt to controls is irrelavant to the controls of Killzone 3. If the best arguement you got is "you suck211!! adapt to the shitty controls!!!1" then you really have not idea what your talking about.
So because we are asking for easier, more precise and accurate controls, that respond to you perfectly, we are complainers? I don't know about you but I'm not a 400 poind slob I don't move that slow. When I move my analog I expect it to move to where I want it to go accurately, and precisely.
You really are deluded if you think making something harder = skill. If you truly were the adaptible beast you claim to be you would be able to adapt to the proper controls KZ3 should have. That's like you asking someone to take the long way around to get to a certain destination, it doesn't make sense neither do your "arguments".
If you watched the killzone 3 is underwater video, you would have realized how foolish your "Try wearing over fifty pounds of gear while trudging around with a full size weapon in your hands." Statement is. The guy holds a shotgun and puts 100 pounds on him and is still able to aim just as accurate and precise as before and certainly better than how they aim in KZ3.
Yeah, no one should ever complain on a forum designed to hear the thoughts of other people. It's not my fault certain people decide that every critism is bad critism.
Where did I say I didn't like the beta? Oh, that's right I didn't, what I said was I loved that game and that it can be much better with better controls. Look around the internet and you'll find hundreds of video complaining about how bad the controls are. They are better than KZ2 but not neccearily good.
Comeback when you have a logically argument formed and not one that relies on "I LOVE IT SO IT MUST BE GOOD!!!"
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