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Re: Pokey's Guide to Effective Shotgun Diplomacy

Aug 24, 2010

 


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Takoulya wrote:

The shotgun is so bloody frustrating. Especially after the patch. You have to be literally three feet away from someone to get a headset on them, and heavy armored people just turn around when you pump two shots into them from ten feet away and headset you with their Alms. I know it's mainly because I don't do that good with it, but no matter what the situation is, at what range, you usually die facing three or more enemies when you use the shotgun, even in a narrow corrder from ten feet away. They just don't die. Again, I need to get better, so I ask you this, Pokey. What do I need to do to successfully kill a large amount of enemies at one time? When I attack an objective, I usually get stuck facing three guys. By the time I kill one, I die. What do I need to do to make sure that I can kill them all?


 

Sorry for the slow reply, I've been very busy.

 

I know that the shotgun is not quite as effective as it was post 1.07 so you might be struggling with it a bit more than before. Aside from what I've listed, a tactic I've been employing lately is not necessarily using the shotgun to get the kill, but more to "soften" the target up for an easy knife kill. The shotgun blast may not kill them, but it will lower their health enough to where a followup knife attack will.

 

As for taking out large groups of enemies, I cannot stress enough importance of lineing them up. Putting an enemy between you and an another enemy, essentially makes that enemy in the back non-existent, hell if you're lucky he'll put a few friendly bullets into his friend's back while trying to shoot you. Once you line then up, suddenly a group of enemies is now a series of single enemies that you can take out one at a time.

 

Also, try to use the element of surprise! Approach enemies from the back or side! By the time they react, half of them will be dead. I remember one time I was attacking Copper Hills, and there were literally 4 Valor guys standing at the top of the staircase shooting their LMGs down into the supply room. I backtracked and made my way up that left hand side and went in through the hole in the wall next to where they were standing in a neat little line for me. I casually strolled up, knifed the first guy, head shotted the second guy, by the time the 3rd guy realized I was there he was dead, and the 4th managed to fire about 2 bullets before he got his face blown off. So basically I single handedly took out 4 guys at the cost of a few rounds and 20 health because I caught them off guard.

 

Point of the matter is, you need to be smart about when and where you attack. You need to be hyper aggressive, but don't let that make you think its wrong to make a tactical retreat and approach the enemy from a different angle. Just remember, if your targets don't know you're there, do not fire until the absolute last second. Also, if you walk into a room and say there are 3 people, but only one is facing towards you, target that one first! Prioritize your targets and get as close are you can before shooting and letting them know you're there.

 

Finally, remember. All weapons have their strengths and weaknesses. There are going to be situations where having a shotgun is not the ideal weapon choice, and others where it'll flat out get you killed. Narrow corridor with 3 guys facing you and you're 50m away? Yeah, you're probably screwed. You just need to know where to expect these sorts of situations, and let your teammates with different weapons handle it.

 

Best of luck out there! I'm still stuck doing my 1000 Sniper and SMG kills -_-


 

Thanks, that's extremely helpful. I have been getting better a lately, and I employed some of your tactics too. I guess it is very situational, and a lot about luck, too. Lag is also a MAJOR factor, one which makes me die when I shouldn't have. Thanks, Pokey, you're a great MAG player and very beneficial to the community. Earlier today, I was attacking Syr Darya with Valor defending. I kill about three people at A, and about two of my teammates go up there, too. They then get killed and bled out soon, so I'm alone. Using a whole bunch of shotgunning and knifing I manage to kill about fifteen of them before I'm finally caught off-guard by someone behind me while I was taking on a few more people. The shotgun is great, but it is highly dependent of lag and luck. I will continue to use the shotgun and hopefully become very good with it.

 

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Sep 24, 2010

Nice guide Pokey it doubled my killstreak and now i get about 500-700 xp per domination instead of like 400 with AR. I don't know if that is good or bad, but it atleast makes the game allot funner. The only problems are that after i checked the stats the VALOR shotty had the worst accuracy of them all but the same dmg preaty much the same rate of fire and damage as all the others, and also i think zipper lowered the damage in the latest patch because i get mainly assists now : [.

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Re: Pokey's Guide to Effective Shotgun Diplomacy

Oct 4, 2010

 


roth1010 wrote:

Nice guide Pokey it doubled my killstreak and now i get about 500-700 xp per domination instead of like 400 with AR. I don't know if that is good or bad, but it atleast makes the game allot funner. The only problems are that after i checked the stats the VALOR shotty had the worst accuracy of them all but the same dmg preaty much the same rate of fire and damage as all the others, and also i think zipper lowered the damage in the latest patch because i get mainly assists now : [.


Yeah, the shotguns have been a target of much stat tweaking as of late. Once I get some more time (work is brutal) I'll play around with the shotguns a bit more and update the guide to reflect 2.0 and all it entails.

 

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I picked up a shotty the other day while defending B on Valor Sabo and it was absolutely crazy. I went on a 23 killstreak with this baby. It was the PERFECT situation a shotgunner. B was highly contested, enemies were rushing in very hard and our team fought back really hard. A really close and intense fight like only MAG can deliver.

Everytime I fired, I killed. it was crazy. Most enemies were under heavy fire and were all softenned up to a certain point. A dream situation for a shotgunner. Kudos on your guide man because I had it in mind during my rampage. By the way, I was put down by another shotgunner.

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MoutonDocile wrote:

I picked up a shotty the other day while defending B on Valor Sabo and it was absolutely crazy. I went on a 23 killstreak with this baby. It was the PERFECT situation a shotgunner. B was highly contested, enemies were rushing in very hard and our team fought back really hard. A really close and intense fight like only MAG can deliver.

Everytime I fired, I killed. it was crazy. Most enemies were under heavy fire and were all softenned up to a certain point. A dream situation for a shotgunner. Kudos on your guide man because I had it in mind during my rampage. By the way, I was put down by another shotgunner.


Hah hah generally when I get killed in a situation like that, it's by a shotgun or SMG, or a lucky ass sniper through some random window. I love jumping into the fray like that, catching a group of soldiers facing the other direction all in a row is a dream come true. It's in those high intensity situations where I really get into the zone with the shotgun, feel my reflexes sharpen, stuff seems to slow down slightly, it's always epic. It's really a feeling I don't get without any other weapon, ya know?

 

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Hah hah generally when I get killed in a situation like that, it's by a shotgun or SMG, or a lucky ass sniper through some random window. I love jumping into the fray like that, catching a group of soldiers facing the other direction all in a row is a dream come true. It's in those high intensity situations where I really get into the zone with the shotgun, feel my reflexes sharpen, stuff seems to slow down slightly, it's always epic. It's really a feeling I don't get without any other weapon, ya know?

 


 

I see a chaotic situation? I bring my trusty peacemaker to the party and everything goes quiet very quickly.

 

Shotguns have always been the most satisfying weapons to use in most shooters. They almost always have a great sound effect to go along the killing too. BOOM-tchatchak-BOOM-tchatchak-BOOM. You just can't beat that.

 

 

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Oct 7, 2010

A great way to rack up multiple kills in a short amount of times is too have the enemies chase you around. For it to work you need the sensor jammer AND the motion sensor. Though you can still pull it off with just the sensor jammer.

 

The way I go about it is : I first find a spot where people are camping/sniping/ambushing or whatever. I then pop one out and retreat to safety. Most of the time, you'll see (thanks to your motion sensor) a group of red dots rushing to where death happened. Then theses two very common scenarios happen :

 

1- One or two red dots go on a search (in the wrong direction) for your skin, allowing you to surprise them separated from their group. You can easily isolate them by using the environment and take advantage of the best close range weapon of the game. 

 

2- Red dots come out one at a time (seriously this happens far too often) and give chase, only to find death by way of shotgun pellets to the face very very quickly. You can often see on your radar a really neat line of red dots going around the corner one at a time. It's like christmas for a shotgunner really.

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THis guide is excellent. I get ridiculous amounts of kills in a good sabotage match or some other close-range situation. I play Raven, and I've noticed that the shotgun seems to be more accurate than you think at distance. I find myself getting a fair few hits from 40-60 metres. It might be the patch changes, but I think I'm going to investigate shotgun accuracy after the patch. Anything I find out will be on here :smileyhappy:

 

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You can definitely take down people at a medium range with the shotty. A low level dude in light armor without increased health can be shot down in a couple of blasts. But it's not a very reliable way of killing as far as my experience goes. 

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Oct 8, 2010

 


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THis guide is excellent. I get ridiculous amounts of kills in a good sabotage match or some other close-range situation. I play Raven, and I've noticed that the shotgun seems to be more accurate than you think at distance. I find myself getting a fair few hits from 40-60 metres. It might be the patch changes, but I think I'm going to investigate shotgun accuracy after the patch. Anything I find out will be on here :smileyhappy:

 


Well the word is that the Raven shotgun is slightly more accurate than Valor or SVERs, so that explains part of it. The other part is that you can get REALLY lucky at long range with the shotgun, it's just a lot harder after the recent patches. Lemme know if you find out any more info, I really haven't had any time to play lately.

 

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