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Just wondering IRC, do you hunt?
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and The Last Cookie or w/e, just stop posting, you're digging a deeper hole every second

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Nope. Never got my interest.,
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Re: Anyone express their 2nd ammendment right/loves firearms?

Nov 14, 2005
HK is a good firearm...holding it like a thug isn't cool...hold it properly dammit...
Smoke me a kipper. I'll be back for breakfast!

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Re: Anyone express their 2nd ammendment right/loves firearms?

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HK is a good firearm...holding it like a thug isn't cool...hold it properly dammit...
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Of course I do. I was only posing with a friend.
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Re: Anyone express their 2nd ammendment right/loves firearms?

Nov 14, 2005


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HK is a good firearm...holding it like a thug isn't cool...hold it properly dammit...


Of course I do. I was only posing with a friend.





People are still going on about holding it right? Gosh, since when was posing a crime? I'd end up posing like Dante from Devil May Cry if I had 2 Handguns and that's over the top. :smileytongue:
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Re: Anyone express their 2nd ammendment right/loves firearms?

Nov 14, 2005
If it wasn't for guns, then people would just use bow and arrows to,kill people. If there wasn't bow and arrows people would use knives to,kill people...etc. People will kill people regardless if there are guns,or not.
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2nd Ammendment Story: The Battle of Athens

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Jan 31, 2013

With all the debate about guns going on and the few threads I've seen pop up here I thought maybe you could all use some perspective on just what the 2nd ammendment is for. 

 

http://www.americanheritage.com/content/battle-athens  (long read but well worth the knowledge)

 

(in the video the man who was shot in the back was not accurately portrayed, he was actually an African American man demanding to have the ballots counted in public and was punched with brass knuckles for it, when he ran for the door the sheriffs shot him in the back)  

 

This is why we have a 2nd ammendment, to protect us from govt not to hunt or protect us from each other.

 

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Jan 30, 2013

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclination, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." --John Adams (1770)

(Please read this before reading on:  If you are not a gun owner, you may be among millions of Americans who feel threatened by the unlawful possession and use of firearms. If so, you may also approve of the latest effort to enact "sensible gun control policy." I invite you to objectively consider this commentary, which is based on facts, including the latest information from the FBI and other aggregators of criminal data. It is not based on political agendas seeking to take advantage of the genuine emotional response all Americans feel when innocent men, women and children are murdered.)

In December, there was a horrible attack in an elementary school, committed by a mentally ill young man. He illegally obtained a rifle and a number of pistols, and used them to kill six adults and 20 children.

As a human, I was deeply affected by this loss of life, especially the faces of the children killed in that school. I am always moved by the death of innocents, particularly children.

In the wake of that tragedy, some politicians did what they do best -- build a political platform on the caskets of children in order to seize and sequester the emotional response of millions of Americans to advance a political agenda. In this case, they concealed that agenda in emotive wrapping paper, and sealed it with a lot of rhetorical demagoguery, hoping that enough people would remain too immersed in their emotional state to discern the real political agenda.

In a press conference Wednesday, Barack Obama made a broad emotional appeal "for the children": "Protecting our children from harm shouldn't be divisive. ... I asked Joe [Biden] to lead an effort along with members of my cabinet to come up with some concrete steps we can take right now to keep our children safe. ... This is our first task as a society -- keeping our children safe. If there's even one thing we can do to reduce this violence, if there's even one life we can save, we have an obligation to try it. ... I think about how, when it comes to protecting the most vulnerable among us, we must act now."

In other words, to counter the fact that his gun control agenda will, in reality, do nothing to "protect the children," he has now lowered expectations to maybe "one life we can save," and he insists Congress "must act now" before reason overtakes emotion.

Obama went on to say, "If Americans of every background stand up and say 'enough, we've suffered too much pain and care too much about our children to allow this to continue,' then change will come."

Well, who could disagree with keeping children safe? But is that really the reason Obama is calling for the most restrictive gun control in the history of our Republic?

(Note: Regarding the use of children as "political pawns," White House spokesman Jay Carney criticized the NRA for referencing the protection of children in a Web ad. Carney protested, "Children should not be used as pawns in a political fight." This briefing was an hour after Obama surrounded himself with children as pawns in a political fight.)

I don't doubt that Obama, like most parents, wants to keep his children safe. In fact he surrounds his children with dozens of guns to keep them safe everywhere they go. But there is also no doubt that his agenda to restrict the ownership of guns has nothing, in fact, to do with the safety of other children -- or anyone of any age.

There are a few proposals under consideration by Congress, in conjunction with Obama's ban on defensive weapons, that should be enacted. For example, I support a background check for all gun purchases, not just those from gun dealers. And we should have a more comprehensive approach to identifying and treating those with severe mental health problems -- though not likely under ObamaCare.

(I note that these measures would do little or nothing to stop unlawful gun purchases for unlawful purposes, other than make it more difficult for unqualified purchasers to acquire a weapon.)

But the centerpiece of Obama's gun control agenda is a ban on so-called "assault weapons." I note "so-called" because this legislation is more accurately described as a "defensive weapons" ban since such arms are purchased, first and foremost, for defense and not assault. Some liberal states and municipalities, in fact, are mounting their own assaults on these weapons.

So, why all the political focus on "assault weapons"?

Because these weapons have been used in many murders, and crimes involving them have increased dramatically in the last 20 years, when gun control advocates coined the term "assault weapon," right?

Wrong. According to the FBI's most recent Uniform Crime Report, a summary of all serious crimes committed each year, in 1992 violent crime incidence was 752 per 100,000 people and 9.3 murders per 100,000.

In 2011, the violent crime rate had dropped to 386 per 100,000 and the murder rate to 4.7 per 100,000 -- nearly a 50 percent decline in both. This precipitous drop occurred at a time when the number of firearms increased dramatically -- including the sale of more than six million "assault weapons."

So, why all the political focus on "assault weapons"?

The 2011 FBI data shows that there were 323 murders committed with rifles of any kind. However, guns defined as "assault weapons" by the federal government were used in less than 0.5% (one-half of one percent) of all murders with guns in 2011.

By comparison, 496 murders were committed with hammers and clubs, and 1,694 murders were perpetrated with knives. Notably, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration reports that drunk drivers are responsible for nearly 10,000 deaths each year in the U.S. -- far more than the number of deaths involving guns of any kind in 2011. (Should there be federal background checks every time someone orders a beer or glass of Chardonnay?)

Additionally, according to the demographic and geographic profile of most violent crimes, the vast majority of perpetrators who murder with guns are associated with gangs and/or drug cartels, which thrive on urban welfare plantations. (The violent culture spawned on those plantations is, of course, the direct result of social and cultural degradation institutionalized by socialist Democrat welfare state policies.

Obama and Biden mentioned "gun violence" six times in their Wednesday remarks, emphasizing that somehow "guns" are the problem, and not the culture producing sociopathic gang-bangers who use guns and other weapons to kill.

In fact, there were more than 500 murders in Obama's hometown of Chicago last year -- a city with some of the most restrictive gun laws in the nation. Most of those murders were tied to gangs and drugs.

So, why all the political focus on "assault weapons"?

Well, isn't the Second Amendment about protecting the right of "hunters and sportsmen" to own guns? As Obama said, "I respect our strong tradition of gun ownership and the rights of hunters and sportsmen."

You know, of course, that the Second Amendment has nothing to do with hunters and sportsmen, regardless of whether Obama repeatedly frames it that way.

This most significant of all constitutional prohibitions on government clearly and concisely states, "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

In the parlance of our Founders, "militia" meant the whole body of the people, as noted by Richard Lee in 1787: "A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves ... and include ... all men capable of bearing arms."

And, "being necessary to the security of a free State" meant that the right of the people to bear arms was, and remains, the ultimate barrier to government tyranny.

In the words of our Constitution's principal author, James Madison, "The ultimate authority ... resides in the people alone. ... The advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation ... forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition." (Federalist No. 46)

So, why all the political focus on "assault weapons"?

Maybe there's a clue in the assessment of Democrat Sen. Dianne Feinstein's first "Assault Weapons Ban."

When Feinstein's first AWB passed in 1994 under the previous Democrat president, Bill Clinton, the Washington Post candidly opined: "No one should have any illusions about what was accomplished. Assault weapons play a part in only a small percentage of crime. The provision is mainly symbolic; its virtue will be if it turns out to be, as hoped, a stepping stone to broader gun control."

When the Feinstein ban expired in 2004, a Department of Justice study noted, "Should it be renewed, the ban's effects on gun violence are likely to be small at best and perhaps too small for reliable measurement. [Assault weapons] were rarely used in gun crimes even before the ban."

Now Feinstein is leading Obama's legislative charge for "a stepping stone to broader gun control" with the effort to renew the ban on defensive weapons.

So, when Obama claims his intention is not "a tyrannical all-out assault on liberty," should you believe him?

Really, do you believe him?

There are now more than 60 million armed Patriots across our nation. Those who own the defensive weapons targeted by Obama and his NeoCom cadres do so not first and foremost for "hunting and sport shooting," though these weapons can certainly be used for those purposes. We acquire defensive weapons like the much-maligned AR-15, ultimately, to defend ourselves, our Constitution and the Rule of Law it enshrines.

Obama is devoting all his political focus on "assault weapons" in order to undermine the Second Amendment empowerment of today's "Patriot Militia," much as the British attempted to do in 1775 when they marched on Lexington and Concord to seize militia weapons. As you recall, that intrusion led to the "shot heard 'round the world," the first shots of the Revolutionary War, which gave rise to our great nation.

Obama's effort to launch his "assault weapons ban" is, as the Washington Post surmised in 1994, "a stepping stone to broader gun control." Disarm the people and you can undermine the vigor of their readiness to defend our Constitution. It is those armed Patriots who stand between the whole body of the American people and Obama's stated goal of "fundamentally transforming the United States of America."

So, what constitutes "sensible gun control policy" when by every objective account, more guns result in less crime?

If Obama, et al., really want to reduce our "national epidemic of violence," they should focus on reforming the government policies that created the socialist urban plantations where most violence occurs.

The proposed "assault weapons ban" and other efforts to restrict, register and ultimately confiscate lawfully acquired guns used for lawful purposes is both an affront to our individual human right of self defense and our corporate responsibility to defend our Constitution. (Ask New Orleans registered gun owners about the consequences of gun confiscation from law-abiding citizens in the chaos after Hurricane Katrina.)

It is for that reason I have pledged: In keeping with the oath I have taken in the service of my country, I will "support and defend" Liberty as "endowed by our Creator" and enshrined in our Constitution, "against all enemies, foreign and domestic." Accordingly, I will NOT comply with any defensive weapons ban instituted by executive order, legislative action or judicial diktat, which violates the innate human right to defend self and Liberty, as empowered by "the right of the People to keep and bear arms."

If you don't yet understand the consequences of statist gun control agendas, let me offer you 100 million additional reasons to reject socialist political agendas, particularly gun control mandates -- reasons that are buried, mostly in mass graves, around the world. During the 20th century, tyrannical socialist governments in Germany, Russia, China, Korea and other nations murdered more than 100 million of their own people. But first, before committing their systematic slaughter, these regimes disarmed their citizenry.

If you are not a gun owner, that's OK. But I suggest you thank every gun owner you know, because in states with few gun restrictions, violent offenders can't tell which homes have armed occupants and which don't. And incarcerated offenders report that the number-one factor in choosing a victim is the ability of the victim to defend themselves.

Deciding whether to be a gun owner is a personal decision, but, gun owner or not, you most assuredly should affirm your support for our Second Amendment.



(Footnote: Regarding the media comparisons between the U.S. and nations like Great Britain, which has already confiscated weapons, clearly, there are few murders with guns in those nations. However, the incidence of violent crime in the UK is almost twice the per capita rate of the U.S., and it affects a much broader demographic swath of citizens. And speaking of British disarmament, I'm reminded of this observation from a man whose name is synonymous with pacifism. In his autobiography, Mohandas Gandhi protested, "Among the many misdeeds of British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest.")

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Re: The Battle of Athens

Jan 30, 2013

its sad they don't teach kids about this in american history  and you don't hear about it on national news either being all the attention on the 2nd ammendment

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Jan 30, 2013

New Hampshire remains one of the few States where people rarely lock their doors at night.  The "Urban" areas aside, acts of violence with relation to firearms is at one of the lowest level in the Nation.

 

Why?

 

Because in the "Live Free or Die" State, most people own their own firearms.  Like PLYMCO said, what idiot is going to try a home invasion, if they face the possibility of walking into a home of someone who is well armed and knows how to use their weapon.

 

Sure, cities like Nashua and Manchester have large violent crime rates, but as you move outward, the rate drops.  This can also be directly attributable to the numbers of transplanted Massachusetts residents moving up from Methuen, Haverhill, LAWRENCE, Lowell, Woburn, and other heavily populated areas already overrun by street violence.

 

Using street thugs and mentally ill people to justify Federal Mandates on firearms control is ridiculous.

 

As PLYMCO said, one side will cry found when children are used as Political Ploys, as out the other side of their mouths they do the exact same thing.

 

Clean up Urban Violence!  Clean up the Mental Health System!  Don't start thinking every lawful firearms owner is in the same classification as a drug dealer, street thug, or mentally ill person.  Respectable, legal firearms owners know the laws, their rights, and the benefits of owning.  If you don't own, then you don't know.

 

Having a firearms and never needing to use it, is the best case scenario.  Being in a situation where you need a firearm, and do not have it, is the worst.

 

Read carefully where PLYMCO mentions about Totalitarian Governments that have seized control, then seized firearms, and did as they wished following.  It doesn't all happen over night people.  It happens one step at a time, and then you are up the creek without a paddle.

 

Understand, at least these things.  Don;t jump on the emotional bandwagon, just because someone trots a grief stricken family out on stage for their own edification.

 

Wow, thanks PLYMCO, you got me going again.:smileywink:  Here come the Haters.  Its OK though, they only arm themselves with WORDS.

 

Moble

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Re: The Battle of Athens

Jan 31, 2013

good post moble   "LIVE FREE OR DIE"   best state slogan in the country if you ask me     i live in ny and our gov just passed the most toughest gun law in the nation.   He says its time for the maddness to stop.    yeah right without firearms to protect peoples property that is just maddness.          His poll ratings were at 74% before the law now they are at 59%    whats maddness is that he gets elected to represent the people but does whatever the heck he thinks is right.

Im still wondering when the govt will fess up  they gave guns to mexican killers who killed americans   but gun control wasn't urgent them  what a moron.

 

Also im 29 when i was in high school we had what ny calls a resource officer which is a in uniform armed state trooper who worked in our school during school hours.  He had an office and everything.   He did programs on drunk driving, gun safety, and numerous other safety issues.    After the newton shootings i called the school were my kids now go that i graduated from to see if they still had a resource officer in the school working their.  The principal of the school informed me that the funding for that program was cut in obamas first year of office.   It was cut by him.   I asked for some info and he directed me to the superintendent who also confirmed what he was telling me.  

 

 I wonder why this program was cut but things like welfare and food stamps are more important or even abortion and gay rights are more important to this president then the resource officer program that not only helped teach kids valuable lessons that not all parents teach their kids and was there in case of a situation like a shooting.   He was armed with a state issued weopon on him at all times.       

 

The resource officer program at the school i graduated from was put in place after columbine but is now no more  sad that killing children before they are born is more important to this president then protecting those that are alive.   

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