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Nintendo will probably go software-only soon, like Sega did

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At this rate they certainly will. Just as I predicted - Wii and Wii U are being demolished by the Playstation 4. Xbox 360, and soon, Xbox 3, are soon to follow. It's not even out yet and Wii and Wii U are being demolished by it. Check out these sales figures:

 

Sales of Wii by year (through December 1)
2009 - 15 million
2010 - 12.5 million (dropped by 16%)
2011 - 8.8 million (dropped by 29.6%)
2012 - 4 million (dropped by 50%)

 

Wii U only added .78 million to the 2012 total. What about 2013? I expect to see it slump to 1 million, at that rate. 2 consecutive years of 4 million unit declines. When will Nintendo get the picture? It's selling hardware with G3, 1998 PowerMac-based CPUs, and 2001-era GPU technology, with Wii. The average consumer has a 1080p display now, and a 3.0+ ghz Intel Core processor. Of course they're going to be demolished by the Playstation 4.  Fans of Nintendo (the few there are at this point) may be disappointed, but it is inevitable. Wii and Wii U are occupying a territory that is effortlessly being swallowed up by the corporate giant that is Sony Corporation.

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More information - Wii's market share decline by almost exactly 10% (10.2%) from 2011 to 2012. Who picked up the slack? Microsoft's increased by 2% - Sony's increased by 8%. Thus - it is a true supposition, that Sony is taking over Nintendo's territory in the console market.

 

http://www.vgchartz.com/article/250601/2012-year-on-year-sales-and-market-share-update-to-december-1...

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Jan 12, 2013
Wii-U is a new console, give it some time. Granted, there still seems to be some divide with 3rd parties committing with titles that PS3/360 are getting and it can go either way with support for the Wii-U when PS4 & the Next Xbox are revealed. It can turn into another Wii situation where support is lacking and I don't think Nintendo wants that. However, I think most people who buy Nintendo hardware by it for Nintendo games (Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Fire Emblem, Pokemon, etc.).

And the decline of the Wii is due to the decline of support. 3rd parties seemed to have pretty much abandoned it and Nintendo's own 1st party support, in the West atleast, was questionable/had large gaps.

You seem to be forgetting that Nintendo also has the handheld market to fall back on.

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Let's bring this into perspective a bit with sales for the week of Dec. 3 and (lifetime sales) in Japan:

Wii U: 308,142 (308,142)

3DS: 211,499 (8,799,378)

PS3: 36,994 (8,716,260)

PSP: 19,637 (19,488,236)

PS Vita: 11,039 (1,074,621)

Wii: 6,714 (12,608,700)

Xbox 360: 1,216 (1,608,399)

PS2: 904 (21,829,112)

DS: 424 (32,875,469)

Because in two years the 3DS has sold more units than the PS3..

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Well, handheld gaming, unlike in the West, is big there. Look at the PSP numbers: over twice as much as the PS3 and on the heels of the PS2's numbers in the region. I'd say if the Vita gets the right titles and hits a sweet spot in the pricing department, it'll pass up the PS3 as well (already sitting at 1+ million).

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Wii-U is a new console, give it some time. Granted, there still seems to be some divide with 3rd parties committing with titles that PS3/360 are getting and it can go either way with support for the Wii-U when PS4 & the Next Xbox are revealed. It can turn into another Wii situation where support is lacking and I don't think Nintendo wants that. However, I think most people who buy Nintendo hardware by it for Nintendo games (Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Fire Emblem, Pokemon, etc.).

And the decline of the Wii is due to the decline of support. 3rd parties seemed to have pretty much abandoned it and Nintendo's own 1st party support, in the West atleast, was questionable/had large gaps.

You seem to be forgetting that Nintendo also has the handheld market to fall back on.

you have to consider this is a Nintendo system. if it doesnt sell like hot cakes the seconds its released then there is something wrong.

besides, the Wii U was/is horrible idea. come E3, no one will care about it since it will be dated by Microsoft and Sony's new systems. not to mention that like 30% of people think the Wii U is just a controller add-on for the Wii. Smiley Very Happy


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SlashZaku wrote:
Wii-U is a new console, give it some time. Granted, there still seems to be some divide with 3rd parties committing with titles that PS3/360 are getting and it can go either way with support for the Wii-U when PS4 & the Next Xbox are revealed. It can turn into another Wii situation where support is lacking and I don't think Nintendo wants that. However, I think most people who buy Nintendo hardware by it for Nintendo games (Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Fire Emblem, Pokemon, etc.).

And the decline of the Wii is due to the decline of support. 3rd parties seemed to have pretty much abandoned it and Nintendo's own 1st party support, in the West atleast, was questionable/had large gaps.

You seem to be forgetting that Nintendo also has the handheld market to fall back on.

you have to consider this is a Nintendo system. if it doesnt sell like hot cakes the seconds its released then there is something wrong.

besides, the Wii U was/is horrible idea. come E3, no one will care about it since it will be dated by Microsoft and Sony's new systems. not to mention that like 30% of people think the Wii U is just a controller add-on for the Wii. Smiley Very Happy


3DS had a rough start too till Nintendo cut the price and dropped a Mario title.

 

The Wii-U is kind of odd.  Nintendo obviously wanted to focus more on a new 'input method/controller' (I think this has kind of bitten them too cause people are/were confusing it as a Wii add-on controller) like the Wii and it seems they may be caught in a similar spot as the Wii if the PS4 & Next Xbox are on a similar power level.  You'll have 3rd parties being able to do the usual porting between Sony, MS and PC but if Wii-U isn't too far up to snuff (past the current consoles), then Nintendo will be missing out once again.

 

We can only wait till E3 though to see where things go (or before then if Sony wants to host their own event like they did for the Vita's reveal).  Nintendo will do fine with their 1st party stuff but we'll just see a repeat come next-next gen with Nintendo once again courting 3rd parties and/or promising their fanbase the 3rd parties will be there.  That or they'll have to start really paying out for 3rd party exclusives or for the ports to even be made (I think they're paying/co-publishing for some of the recent 3rd party ports like NG3:RE).


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Yeah I don't think so. Look, if you want to just look at the last couple of years of just Wii sales and the what, 2 months the Wii U was on sale for and say "Yep, they're selling less units, Nintendo is done for." Then that's your business. But, for the sake of clarity, let me explain all the reasons you are wrong.

 

First off, Nintendo is freaking rich. The Wii is not their only product, but just so you know they sold about 20 million more units total then either Xbox or Sony. Second, since Nintendo opted for older and more affordable technology, they saw a better profit margin per unit then Sony or Microsoft ever did. Sony sold their launch unit for 600$ and they were still losing money on the deal.

 

The bread and butter of game industries has always been the games, selling more units just means the possibility of selling more games, and if you look at the sales of first-party titles, Nintendo made a killing. Several of the best selling games ever are Wii exclusives. 

 

Oh, and lets not forget handhelds. Now Nintendo has the Gameboy family, Sony has the PSP/Vita line, and Microsoft has the... *crickets* Zune? lol that's a cruel joke. Granted, the 3DS has had some trouble getting its feet off the ground, but the PSP/Vita has a long line of detractors of its own. And with mobile gaming and smart phones being cheap and getting creative, it's been hard all around on portables, but still, Nintendo made a lot of money.

 

If you want to see something more telling, I'd recommend the Wiki article on overall worldwide sales of game consoles to date at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_game_consoles I'll summarize with this: Of the top 10 systems, 4 were made by Sony, 5 by Nintendo, 1 by Microsoft. The top 2 systems were PS2, selling 153.6 million units since 2000 and the Nintendo DS (Excluding Gameboy, Gameboy Advance and 3DS) selling 152.5 million units since 2004. Sega's best selling unit, the Genesis, sold 40 million units, ranking in at 12th overall.

 

Now, you want to compare Nintendo to Sega? Yeah not really. Sega hasn't had a commercially successful console since the Sega Genesis. The Game Gear was a flop, the Sega CD, 32X, Nomad, Dreamcast, and sadly Saturn, were all flops. Even if Nintendo does go belly up, it will be years before anyone sees any signs of it, and would take at least 3 failed consoles to ruin the company. The Wii U is brand new and has a lot of potential, if they can attract more 3rd party support, which looks promising, then the Wii U should do fine. 

 

If you really want to know why the Wii sales dropped while PS3 and Xbox picked up, it's pretty simple, there's no need for it anymore. The PS3 still doubles as a Blu-ray player, and both the PS3 and Xbox have uses as media centers, the Wii not so much. And yes the lack of HD does play into that. Also, Nintendo consoles have the best backward compatability of consoles, being able to play any of the last generation of games. So you're going to have people saying "why buy a Wii when I can buy a Wii U and it'll be able to play any Wii game?" It doesn't mean the console is bad, it's just past its prime. Also, there is no PS4 or Xbox 720 yet, which is why people still buy PS3 and 360.

 

So hey, take it as you will, but don't count Nintendo out just yet.

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EzraMajor wrote:

Let's bring this into perspective a bit with sales for the week of Dec. 3 and (lifetime sales) in Japan:

Wii U: 308,142 (308,142)

3DS: 211,499 (8,799,378)

PS3: 36,994 (8,716,260)

PSP: 19,637 (19,488,236)

PS Vita: 11,039 (1,074,621)

Wii: 6,714 (12,608,700)

Xbox 360: 1,216 (1,608,399)

PS2: 904 (21,829,112)

DS: 424 (32,875,469)

Because in two years the 3DS has sold more units than the PS3..


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Re: Nintendo will probably go software-only soon, like Sega did

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JonathanCarabalo wrote:

At this rate they certainly will. Just as I predicted - Wii and Wii U are being demolished by the Playstation 4. Xbox 360, and soon, Xbox 3, are soon to follow. It's not even out yet and Wii and Wii U are being demolished by it. Check out these sales figures:

 

Sales of Wii by year (through December 1)
2009 - 15 million
2010 - 12.5 million (dropped by 16%)
2011 - 8.8 million (dropped by 29.6%)
2012 - 4 million (dropped by 50%)

 

Wii U only added .78 million to the 2012 total. What about 2013? I expect to see it slump to 1 million, at that rate. 2 consecutive years of 4 million unit declines. When will Nintendo get the picture? It's selling hardware with G3, 1998 PowerMac-based CPUs, and 2001-era GPU technology, with Wii. The average consumer has a 1080p display now, and a 3.0+ ghz Intel Core processor. Of course they're going to be demolished by the Playstation 4.  Fans of Nintendo (the few there are at this point) may be disappointed, but it is inevitable. Wii and Wii U are occupying a territory that is effortlessly being swallowed up by the corporate giant that is Sony Corporation.


Yes, the Wii and Wii U are currently being demolished by a console that hasn't even been released yet. Use your **bleep** brain. The Wii has outsold both the PS3 and Xbox 360, so put that in your pipe and smoke it SONY fanboy. The Wii has sold around 100 million consoles, hell even the Nintendo DS has sold over 100 million. How many has PS3 sold? Around 70 million consoles. Not sure if these are 100% accurate, but they're not completely made up. http://www.vgchartz.com/analysis/platform_totals/

So if the Wii U doesn't pick up, it won't kill Nintendo by any means. Post this on the Wii U forums instead of on a Playstation forum and see how they react. Go away fanboy.



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