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Add-on PlayStation 3 HDD will run Linux-No HDD IN PS3?????

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Impress PC Watch: The PlayStation 3 has some extremely high specifications, but it doesn't come with a HDD. Why?

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Ken Kutaragi: We're not going to equip a HDD by default, because no matter how much we put in it, it won't be enough. The next step is definitely network drives. With the Cell server, they can be accessed from anywhere, via network. Whether it's your own house, your friend's house, you can access the anywhere. That's the kind of world we're imagining. But there are still some issues if the machine doesn't come with a HDD. So this time, we've added a 2.5 inch HDD bay so that users can equip HDDs such as 80GB and 120GB, even though that's still not enough . Although a network drive would allow for terabytes of storage, there's still the necessity to run an operating system offline. A hard drive for running an OS will be required for to be recognized as a computer.

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IPCW: Do you mean to say that you'll run an OS on the PS3 to use it as a computer?

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KK: I believe its wrong that, while we've been calling PlayStations "computers," Nintendo, which is in our same business, keeps telling the world their consoles are "toys." So even though we're making something that has the capability to be recognized as a supercomputer and requires paperwork when exporting or importing, the government sees it as a "toy." The PlayStation 2 has something as great as the Emotion Engine, and it can even run Linux, but it's still considered a gaming machine. I thought that the situation would become better since Microsoft appeared from the IT field. But they won't say it either, since they want to protect their business. They see problems if the Xbox could run Windows, so they keep calling the Xbox a "game machine." It is really a pain in the neck. This time, we're positioning the PS3 as a "supercomputer." But people won't recognize it as a computer unless we call it a computer, so we're going to run an OS on it. In fact, the Cell can run multiple OSes. In order to run the OSes, we need a HDD. So in order to declare that the PS3 is a computer, I think we'll have pre-installed with Linux as a bonus.

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IPCW: So Linux can be run on the Cell.

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KK: Linux is legacy, but it will be a start. In the case of the Cell, operation systems are applications. The kernel will be running on the Cell, and multiple OSes will be running on top of that as applications. Of course the PS3 can run Linux. If Linux can run, so can Lindows. Other PC Operating Systems can run too, such as Windows and Tiger (Max OS X 10.4), if the publishers want to do so. Maybe a new OS might come out.

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IPCW: Does that mean that we can expect applications that take advantage of the Cell, aside from games?

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KK: As an example, HD video editing software is basically the same as the non-linear editing system used in broadcasting stations. What we're trying to do on the PS3 is that level of software. Non-linear editing systems are incredible, but if it was done on the Cell, it would be even more incredible....The difference will be obvious. I think other PC applications like photo-retouching software will also be able to be done on the PS3. The user interface will also get interesting. In the case of the PC, users will have to wait for years between XP's UI to Longhorn's. But the PS3's UI will evolve much faster. For example, if we had an interface where we could control applications using gestures and words using the Eye Toy, it would be like Minority Report. Of course, that kind of an evolution will also reflect on games. This will be the first form that will be spread. It can connect a keyboard, and it has all the necessary interfaces. It can run media, and it can run on a network. It's got such an all-around purpose, and it's open. It will become completely open if we equip it with Linux, and programmers will be able to do anything with it. It's the same thing with the graphics since it's got the shaders.

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God, so no HDD?  Sony is pissin me off.  There lucky my fav. devs are makeing games for Ps3 .  Still, I really don't think they need to push the Ps3 into the "computer" section.  Games were meant to have kids have fun and stuff.  It better atleast have an easy interface.

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Jun 9, 2005
Heh, Kutaragi called the PS2 a "supercomputer" as well.  History repeats itself.
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Heh, Kutaragi called the PS2 a "supercomputer" as well.  History repeats itself.

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Umm.. less not get into the flaming section(Your not in it, but what you said my cause some flames)  I dont want this thread to be locked.
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Heh, Kutaragi called the PS2 a "supercomputer" as well.  History repeats itself.

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At least the PS3 will be able to back that claim ,
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Re: Add-on PlayStation 3 HDD will run Linux-No hdd?

Jun 9, 2005
this is an interesting article.  
Hideo Kojima, "You're looking at the key to winning the console war."

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Kyle009 wrote:


Aleman wrote:
Heh, Kutaragi called the PS2 a "supercomputer" as well.  History repeats itself.



At least the PS3 will be able to back that claim





Backup that claim how? The PS3 is not a supercomputer. It doesn't even come close to being one.

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Re: Add-on PlayStation 3 HDD will run Linux-No hdd?

Jun 9, 2005
Im interested in this network drive thing , I wanna see how that translates into the ps3 online DNA and whatnot
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However, this is actually part of my sig.
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I like the idea of an online storage area but still i want the HDD to be out of the box, like Xbox. Well at least there is an almost limitless amount of data you can hold online!

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I also like the idea of accessing it from anywhere.

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Eat that Microsoft!

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Jun 9, 2005
In the article he mentioned using NAS (Network Attached Storage) So really you could use the HD in your PC, in your friends PC, ect. So it appears that he is relying on Hard Drives that are already out in the consumers area.
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So even though your Ps3 can support the HD it wont matter if you have one or not. You just need to have access to a HD in your house which most people will have.
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Also kinda gives you some more insite on why there are the 1GB Inputs and 1 Output. Trying to make home networking easier and faster.
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Re: Add-on PlayStation 3 HDD will run Linux-No hdd?

Jun 9, 2005
Does anyone know what kind of Linux will be on it?  (Ex: Suse, Red Hat)
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