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Re: Bad news for Sony...

Jun 10, 2005
Oh noes! Sony has to compete with another company!

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Re: Bad news for Sony...

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The product: Details are still sketchy on Toshiba's HD-DVD recorder, but pricing and availability for its play-only unit have finally been announced. It will be the first on sale to play the HD-DVD format, which the company is promoting as a competitor against Blu-ray to succeed the popular DVD format. The unit will include an HDMI output, naturally, but otherwise little information (including a model number) was available at press time. The available specs include:

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The price: The unnamed unit will be available in the fourth quarter of 2005 for a list price of $1,000.
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http://www.cnet.com/4520-10602_1-5618766-1.html

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Hmm, if a HD-DVD player costs $1,000, I wonder how much a HD-DVD recorder would cost.  I think I'll stick with the blu-ray player that comes with the PS3.  Why do some people think blu-ray recorder doesn't exist.

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People said that when DVD decks first came out, and costed about $2k. Now look where the medium is! Just about everyone has a DVD player and at least one DVD movie.
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The point is, since HD-DVD and PS3 are only a couple of months apart, HD-DVD player won't drop too much in price when the PS3 is released.  It took a while for DVD player to drop in price from $2000 to $400. 
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If PS3 only costs $300-$400 and HD-DVD player still cost more than that, Blu-ray will win for sure.  If HD-DVD player costs $200 when PS3 is released, HD-DVD might win.
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Blu-ray player costs over $2,000 now. Amazing that Sony is going to put it in PS3...
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How much did DVD player cost in 1999?  Sony still included it in the PS2 and sold the PS2 for $300.
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Jun 10, 2005
Hm.. let's analyze this, shall we?
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,HD-DVD player: $1000
,Blu-Ray player: approx $350 (maybe as low as $300)
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,HD-DVD = PWN3D
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,I don't see how this is "bad news" for Sony.
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Jun 10, 2005

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Hm.. let's analyze this, shall we?

HD-DVD player: $1000
Blu-Ray player: approx $350 (maybe as low as $300)

HD-DVD = PWN3D

I don't see how this is "bad news" for Sony.
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Hmm, I got my DVD player in early 1998 for 300 bucks(and it wasn't the cheapest available)and they debuted in late 96 early 97 for well over a thousand dollars.  HD-DVD debuts in late 2005, and the PS3 will mostly likely show up in the states late 2006.  I guaranty that an HD-DVD player will be under 500 by mid 2006, and in the neighborhood of 300-400 by the end of it.  Then throw in the fact that HD-DVD movies are supposed to be priced between 20-25 bucks, and blu ray movies will be priced 30-35 bucks.  The lack of a recording standard for HD-DVD was one of the biggest plusses bluray had in the movies segment(as both formats offer plenty of space for HD-DVD movies).,
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The people at toshiba are dumb as heck (standards and practices).  They need to realize the size needs to be bigger.  In less than 2 years, dvd prices went from $10 for a single blank dvd, to $15 for a 50 blank dvd pack.  The blu-ray will get cheaper to make if it becomes a standard, because it will probably be shiped of to mexico to be made for about a peso per day for the worker.  It will just be expensive for a little.
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The product: Details are still sketchy on Toshiba's HD-DVD recorder, but pricing and availability for its play-only unit have finally been announced. It will be the first on sale to play the HD-DVD format, which the company is promoting as a competitor against Blu-ray to succeed the popular DVD format. The unit will include an HDMI output, naturally, but otherwise little information (including a model number) was available at press time. The available specs include:

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  • ,
  • HD-DVD player
  • ,
  • HDMI output
  • ,
  • Backward compatible with DVD and CD
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The price: The unnamed unit will be available in the fourth quarter of 2005 for a list price of $1,000.
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http://www.cnet.com/4520-10602_1-5618766-1.html

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Hmm, if a HD-DVD player costs $1,000, I wonder how much a HD-DVD recorder would cost.  I think I'll stick with the blu-ray player that comes with the PS3.  Why do some people think blu-ray recorder doesn't exist. ,
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Blu-ray recorders do exist. how the heck do you think they put data on blu-ray discs.  They currently cost about $2500 for a single 1x recorder because they are manily made for business use and not personal use yet.
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From blu-ray.com faqs:
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 When will I be able to buy a Blu-ray Disc recorder?

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You'll probably have to wait until 2006-2007 for Blu-ray recorders to become commonly available. The driving force behind the development of Blu-ray Disc recorders is the need to record HDTV programming and currently the only country where HDTV is well established is Japan. There's still only a few different Blu-ray Disc recorders available to consumers in Japan, but as you can see in our Blu-ray Recorders section, most well-known consumer electronics companies have their own prototype Blu-ray Disc recorder in development, so we expect to see more Blu-ray recorders on the Japanese market during 2005.

According to Sony of America's senior vice president Mike Fidler, products based on the Blu-ray Disc format are not likely to be available in the United States until late 2005 or early 2006

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Jun 10, 2005
DVD player did not cost over $2000 either. It was nearing the,mature stage. Neither HD-DVD or blue-ray is even close to reaching,mature stage.
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Llama Herder wrote:
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How much did DVD player cost in 1999?  Sony still included it in the PS2 and sold the PS2 for $300.



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The people at toshiba are dumb as heck (standards and practices).  They need to realize the size needs to be bigger.  In less than 2 years, dvd prices went from $10 for a single blank dvd, to $15 for a 50 blank dvd pack.  The blu-ray will get cheaper to make if it becomes a standard, because it will probably be shiped of to mexico to be made for about a peso per day for the worker.  It will just be expensive for a little.
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In all but the most extreme cases just about every movie should fit onto a single disc with either format...there's no reason to go "bigger" in the movie market.  ,
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Jun 10, 2005
The main thing is that Sony is smart in that they are sticking behind,Blu-ray and by puting a BR player (along with DVD and CD) in the PS3,,thats guarranteeing people who by a PS3 a BR player.  So just like,the PS2 and DVD, PS3 will also offer more bang for the buck.  its,quite smart, and i really dont see how this is bad news for Sony. ,Imagine how many people are going to be getting a PS3 by Christmas,2006.  Thats quite a few BR players right there and by that time,they will be down in price.
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