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@papa      it is your opinion that there is hypocrisy present and you just happen to share the opinion of the huffingtong post.   You admit very openly that you have no respect for the NRA   if you have no respect for those who are of a different viewpoint then yours then why should people respect yours.   Your grasping at anything you can to say its hypocrisy and smear the NRA due to your lack of respect for them.    You know the last time law abiding americans were punished for something they had nothing to do with was   **bleep** being tossed in concentration style camps in the usa during ww2.   this is kinda the same thing someone else breaks the law so we punish those that don't.  Assinine to say the least.   Hypocrisy by NRA no.   If you read down the comments section on the game informer website from that article most don't agree its hypocrisy.  I respect your opinion but can see that you are in this for an agenda.  There was a gun ban for ten years that ended in 2004.  and guess what   gun crime was worse then   then it is now.  I live in ny and my gov just signed the nations most strict law on guns yesterday.  we were only allowed 8 round mags before and now only 7   1 bullet gonna really matter that much  hardly not.    Now if you look at stats on crime   NY has big issues with gun crime but guess where most of it is.   The city  were its **bleep** near impossible to carry a gun let a long buy a 32oz drink.  So now every rural folk and law abiding citizen is punished for some criminals murder rampage.  By the way they are criminals  they will break the new laws and regulations just like the have so many times before  laws keep good people good but do nothing for criminals.        When govt expands freedom and libery contract.    

 

Weather the NRA condemn the whole industry or not is not important whats important is that  as a gamer i understand that games like  kindergarten killers and countless others are a detriment to the industry more then shooting pracice at targets.   Im guessing duck hunt would be too much for the NRA too.  STUPID     Duck hunt is not the same as kindergarten killers.   So weather he said the industry is peddling in shadow games of murder or not  to an extent he is right look at best selling game   COD.   I don't believe games are the problem but if the industry can't denouce garbage like mentionioned above then they deserve all the scrutiny they get.    As for you papa   i don't much care what your opinion is anymore   because you have no respect for the NRA therefore with out respect for a different viewpoint you become the problem  in order for comprimise and the problems to be solved you have to respect differing viewpoints.   Weather you agree or not. 

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Dude that game is not even in the same catagory as the ones the nra listed      its a game where you shoot guns on a SHOOTING RANGE   your not shooting children like the link i listed 2 pages ago to a game called kindergarten killers  i find it funny gameinformer leaves that game out.   I will not be renewing my subscription to a liberal bias point of view such as this.   A game shooting children is not the same as a game shooting targets on a shooting range.   Its unbelievable that gameinformer takes this article from the Huffington Post  which to say the least can barly call itself a news organization.  They have a point of view and its obvious GI does now too.   Its about the mentally ill and the laws about that issue   NOT GAME AND NOT GUNS   these people that commit these crimes and just screwed in the head already.    Maybe gamers and guns rights groups could work together to get new laws and standards in place for mental problems   wasnt virginia tech a mental issue?  Yes it was he slipped through the system.   GI went overboard with this after 12 years i will no longer be a subscriber to a point of view that is bias.  Why did the leave out the mention of kindergarten killers?


I know there is a major difference between what the NRA condemns and what the NRA put out. The hypocrisy remains since they (the NRA) condemns the ENTIRE video game industry but puts out their own video game (PS 2) and their own video game app. It makes them look stupid.

 

 

But then again I have no respect for the NRA to begin with.

PLYMCO_PILGRIM wrote: The NRA also didn't "condem the gaming industry". They condemed games and movies that glorify gun violence and used the game where you can go into a kindergarten and kill kids as their prime example of this type of game.

 

 

Actually you are quite incorrect on that statement. The NRA stated (and I quote directly from his own speech on the NRA site)

 

There exists in this country a callous, corrupt, and corrupting shadow industry that sells, and sows, violence against its own people," NRA executive vice president Wayne LaPierre said. "Through vicious, violent video games with names like Bulletstorm, Grand Theft Auto, Mortal Kombat, and Splatterhouse. And here's one: it's called Kindergarten Killers. It's been online for 10 years. How come my research department could find it and all of yours either couldn't or didn't want anyone to know you had found it?"

 

Which part of that statement are you stating is not condemning the entire industry?

 

 


The NRA did NOT condem the entire video game industry, that is untrue.

 

The NRA condemed games and movies that glorify violence for the sake of being violent and not the entire video game or movie industries.  

 

Do you happen to have the link to the full context of that quote?   Its hard to find right now from the link you provided so here is a video to get some of the context surrounding your quote http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZb8EXUrQTo 

 

Looking at it in context I just can't agree with your opinion and feel the opinion you are holding is not an accurate one.

 

And here’s another dirty little truth that the media try their best to conceal: There exists in this country a callous, corrupt and corrupting shadow industry that sells, and sows, violence against its own people.

Through vicious, violent video games with names like Bulletstorm, Grand Theft Auto, Mortal Kombat and Splatterhouse. And here’s one: it’s called Kindergarten Killers. It’s been online for 10 years. How come my research department could find it and all of yours either couldn’t or didn’t want anyone to know you had found it?

Then there’s the blood-soaked slasher films like “American Psycho” and “Natural Born Killers” that are aired like propaganda loops on “Splatterdays” and every day, and a thousand music videos that portray life as a joke and murder as a way of life. And then they have the nerve to call it “entertainment.”

But is that what it really is? Isn’t fantasizing about killing people as a way to get your kicks really the filthiest form of pornography?

In a race to the bottom, media conglomerates compete with one another to shock, violate and offend every standard of civilized society by bringing an ever-more-toxic mix of reckless behavior and criminal cruelty into our homes — every minute of every day of every month of every year.

A child growing up in America witnesses 16,000 murders and 200,000 acts of violence by the time he or she reaches the ripe old age of 18.

When i read it in context I just don't see it as an attack on the "video game industry" but more an attack on the games, movies, and media that glorify violence against our fellow humans then turn around and play innocent at best and demonize law abiding gun owners at worst when something bad does happen.

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Do you happen to have the link to the full context of that quote?   Its hard to find right now from the link you provided so here is a video to get some of the context surrounding your quote http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZb8EXUrQTo 

 

Looking at it in context I just can't agree with your opinion and feel the opinion you are holding is not an accurate one.

 

And here’s another dirty little truth that the media try their best to conceal: There exists in this country a callous, corrupt and corrupting shadow industry that sells, and sows, violence against its own people.

When i read it in context I just don't see it as an attack on the "video game industry" but more an attack on the games, movies, and media that glorify violence against our fellow humans then turn around and play innocent at best and demonize law abiding gun owners at worst when something bad does happen.


He claims that the video game industry is a shadow industry that sells violence through games. "There exists in this country a callous, corrupt and corrupting shadow industry that sells, and sows, violence against its own people. Through vicious, violent video games with names like Bulletstorm, Grand Theft Auto, Mortal Kombat and Splatterhouse." There is no other industry that sells video games. Without the gaming companies creating them, there would be none to sell. Whether you wish to see it or not it is an attack against the whole gaming industry. He attacks all forms of media as well, not just the gaming industry.

 

http://home.nra.org/pdf/Transcript_PDF.pdf

 

Not everyone that wants better gun control regulation demonizes law abiding gun owners. I don't. (self edited a section of this)

 

I am not worried about law abiding gun owners. People like the NRA President  however are concerning because they are not willing to budge on their beliefs. When you go around blaming everyone else except yourself, you show that you are a part of the problem.  This is not about extremes. This is about compromise. This is about finding a way to protect our children, our families and our country. About making it harder for those with mental illness to easily obtain weapons to do harm with. To make it harder for people to kill their families.

 

As I've stated numerous times but constantly gets ignored there are a host of problems plaguing this country. Gun regulation is only 1 aspect to this whole mess. We need to get to the root of the problem. So long as we focus on only that, no matter what changes are brought about, it will not change anything in the end.

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@papa      it is your opinion that there is hypocrisy present and you just happen to share the opinion of the huffingtong post.   You admit very openly that you have no respect for the NRA   if you have no respect for those who are of a different viewpoint then yours then why should people respect yours.   Your grasping at anything you can to say its hypocrisy and smear the NRA due to your lack of respect for them.    You know the last time law abiding americans were punished for something they had nothing to do with was   **bleep** being tossed in concentration style camps in the usa during ww2.   this is kinda the same thing someone else breaks the law so we punish those that don't.  Assinine to say the least.   Hypocrisy by NRA no.   If you read down the comments section on the game informer website from that article most don't agree its hypocrisy.  I respect your opinion but can see that you are in this for an agenda.

 

   As for you papa   i don't much care what your opinion is anymore   because you have no respect for the NRA therefore with out respect for a different viewpoint you become the problem  in order for comprimise and the problems to be solved you have to respect differing viewpoints.   Weather you agree or not. 


Whether you want to accept it or not doesn't matter to me. I have respect for individual opinions but not the opinions of the organization itself. I have no respect for the man behind the statement either.

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It is getting angry in here again....

 

Just don't go out and buy any guns this week folks.  Words hurt worse sometimes though. :smileywink:

 

Lets remember to all be respectful to one another.  Don't call someone ignorant, and expect it not to come back to you either.  While I know that term has not been use, yet, I think you catch my drift.

 

We can have a debate and or discussion without personal attacks. :smileyhappy:

 

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It is getting angry in here again....

 

Just don't go out and buy any guns this week folks.  Words hurt worse sometimes though. :smileywink:

 

Lets remember to all be respectful to one another.  Don't call someone ignorant, and expect it not to come back to you either.  While I know that term has not been use, yet, I think you catch my drift.

 

We can have a debate and or discussion without personal attacks. :smileyhappy:

 

Moble


I'm trying to be nice :smileyhappy: I swear I am :smileyvery-happy: I think though I'll follow my own advice about walking away from a couple of posters that I know I will not be able to find common ground with. While I respect the different opinions, conveying my own without sounding like I'm dismissing theirs is very hard to do since words can easily be taken out of context.

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It is getting angry in here again....

 

Just don't go out and buy any guns this week folks.  Words hurt worse sometimes though. :smileywink:

 

Lets remember to all be respectful to one another.  Don't call someone ignorant, and expect it not to come back to you either.  While I know that term has not been use, yet, I think you catch my drift.

 

We can have a debate and or discussion without personal attacks. :smileyhappy:

 

Moble


I'm trying to be nice :smileyhappy: I swear I am :smileyvery-happy: I think though I'll follow my own advice about walking away from a couple of posters that I know I will not be able to find common ground with. While I respect the different opinions, conveying my own without sounding like I'm dismissing theirs is very hard to do since words can easily be taken out of context.


I totally agree Papa.  I have been roped into regrettable conversations myself.  On many occasions.  I know, SHOCKER!!:smileywink:

 

I even requested my posts be stricken from the record at one time, just because someone flamed on me, and to avoid any further ramifications of my retaliation, I chose to have the whole conversation removed.

 

I hope that doesn't happen here.  This thread actually has some healthy debate, in parts.:smileywink:

 

BT Dubbs, I was spreading a generalized comment about the respect.  I was not calling any one particular post or member out on that one.

 

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PapaWarlock wrote:

moblesuit75 wrote:

It is getting angry in here again....

 

Just don't go out and buy any guns this week folks.  Words hurt worse sometimes though. :smileywink:

 

Lets remember to all be respectful to one another.  Don't call someone ignorant, and expect it not to come back to you either.  While I know that term has not been use, yet, I think you catch my drift.

 

We can have a debate and or discussion without personal attacks. :smileyhappy:

 

Moble


I'm trying to be nice :smileyhappy: I swear I am :smileyvery-happy: I think though I'll follow my own advice about walking away from a couple of posters that I know I will not be able to find common ground with. While I respect the different opinions, conveying my own without sounding like I'm dismissing theirs is very hard to do since words can easily be taken out of context.


I totally agree Papa.  I have been roped into regrettable conversations myself.  On many occasions.  I know, SHOCKER!!:smileywink:

 

I even requested my posts be stricken from the record at one time, just because someone flamed on me, and to avoid any further ramifications of my retaliation, I chose to have the whole conversation removed.

 

I hope that doesn't happen here.  This thread actually has some healthy debate, in parts.:smileywink:

 

BT Dubbs, I was spreading a generalized comment about the respect.  I was not calling any one particular post or member out on that one.

 

Moble


I know you weren't calling anyone out in particular. Just saying I'm trying :smileyvery-happy: I have also asked for my posts to be deleted in the past as well.

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moblesuit75 wrote:

PapaWarlock wrote:

moblesuit75 wrote:

It is getting angry in here again....

 

Just don't go out and buy any guns this week folks.  Words hurt worse sometimes though. :smileywink:

 

Lets remember to all be respectful to one another.  Don't call someone ignorant, and expect it not to come back to you either.  While I know that term has not been use, yet, I think you catch my drift.

 

We can have a debate and or discussion without personal attacks. :smileyhappy:

 

Moble


I'm trying to be nice :smileyhappy: I swear I am :smileyvery-happy: I think though I'll follow my own advice about walking away from a couple of posters that I know I will not be able to find common ground with. While I respect the different opinions, conveying my own without sounding like I'm dismissing theirs is very hard to do since words can easily be taken out of context.


I totally agree Papa.  I have been roped into regrettable conversations myself.  On many occasions.  I know, SHOCKER!!:smileywink:

 

I even requested my posts be stricken from the record at one time, just because someone flamed on me, and to avoid any further ramifications of my retaliation, I chose to have the whole conversation removed.

 

I hope that doesn't happen here.  This thread actually has some healthy debate, in parts.:smileywink:

 

BT Dubbs, I was spreading a generalized comment about the respect.  I was not calling any one particular post or member out on that one.

 

Moble


I know you weren't calling anyone out in particular. Just saying I'm trying :smileyvery-happy: I have also asked for my posts to be deleted in the past as well.


I think healthy debate/discussion is good, obviously this topic is one which many will have strong feelings about one way or the other & with some people you will never get through to them & their only way is to try to brow beat you.

 

Discussion is good, but occasionally walking away & not taking a different viewpoint as a personal attack can go a long way too.

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Just as a side note;  While I don't have any glaring issues with the currently released provisions being set forth by the P. after yesterday, I do have some concerns.

 

What is not highlighted by this new $50,000,000 initiative, is that it will include (as yet undisclosed) 26 Executive Orders!  Is the P. going for a record on these or something?  This is adding to his total since September, when he had already issued 923 Executive Orders to that point (in 40 Months).  The most ANY other P. has ever signed, including 2 term P's. is 30.

 

Forget going for the record, HE IS THE RECORD.  Why bother letting the elected congress consider the wishes of the people, when you can just ram whatever you want through with Executive Order.

 

Again, I don't know what these orders will be, and I am not overly concerned with them either.  What concerns me, is this P. believes he is the riotous judge of what ever the Country "needs".

 

I have parents, as everyone does.  We don't need an Elected Parent to tell us when to go to bed, when to eat and what to eat, what to watch, what to listen to, or even what games we play.  I think we need a Congressional Oversight Committee on PARENTING in  the United States.

 

Teach your children right and wrong, and there should be NO ISSUES.  If your child grows up, mal adjusted, despite your best efforts, then you have a pass.  If you raise your child to be a violent thug, then your but should go to jail alone side of them!

 

Why do we need all these Executive Orders to force us into anything we do not agree.  The US Government is that, and that alone; a Government, my Government.  They are, however, NOT MY PARENTS.

 

Moble

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