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Re: Please, no more clothes like the Gogo ones

Mar 27, 2013

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I wrote 2 or 3 times that normal bikinis are perfectly fine. Im not a nun (virtually or in person).

One thing are normal bikinis, one thing is a lower bottomthat shows half of an avatar behind, which combined with the bend pose makes for something that shouldnt be in Home.

But that is just part of the opinion i tried to explain, which was a bit more complex....

I thought my opinion would be shared more, i guess i was wrong.
It is the most common opinion outside of this forum tough, where people laff at Home for how it is right now.

I not disagreeing with you when it comes to that. I admire the fact you're willing to speak up about the issue. I just don't know if Sony is listening. They are all about the money these days and that's been pretty obvious for quite some time now. 

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They are a company and of course they want to make profit. You can't blame them for this.

 

Also seeing such items being sold pretty well shows that people actually want such kind of content.

 

Like I said before they should allow to block whole avatars, this would solve this and many other issues on Home.

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Re: Please, no more clothes like the Gogo ones

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As i explained my thread is not about bikinis, or nudity and violence... but about the GoGo bikini bottom and what these kind of virtual clothes bring, a weird atmosphere. Its more of a clear example.

If the majority of the current Home users like what they see, then ok. When im in the hub and i read most of the bubbles, and see some avatar dressing like virtual prostitute with half of their behind shown, i dont feel at...Home. Sure, that is just my hopinion.

As KarateChamp said, many people had this kind of experience and found it plain weird, leaving Home to never return again (and laffing at it). They also didnt give it a chance to see the many other nice spaces that are in Home, effort of the developers that work on it.

I don't know how long you've been using Home, but that behavior has always went on in Home, even without the revealing outfits.

To reflect the kind of experience you get in Home ( or better, only in certain areas of Home, like the main one, the Hub), they should change the Home picture screen where they show the nice room with normally dressed characters, Nathan Drake, Ratchet etc, and replace it with a thug with guns, a female avatar in GoGo clothes and some asteriscs in the bubbles.

No moderation means anarchy, and that is not really a decent sight on a platform like that. Its only virtual, of course... Every sane person can draw the line between virtual and real. That doesnt mean no rules, or no decency.

home shouldnt be family friendly? As i already wrote, the picture shown when you go on The Home logo in the Xmb suggests otherwise. It actually shows a really family friendly experience. Remove it then

I don't know about you, but I grew up watching old cartoons, that showcased violence and the occasional woman that was dressed in a sexy fashion. To me, Home is no worse than those cartoons I used to watch. However, the difference is, Home has real people controlling the avatars and you cannot control the actions of others or what they say.

I have no issues with there being moderation in Home, that should be expected in any online enviroment. But to blame everything on the items that are sold in Home, doesn't seem fair, no matter if the items are violent or skin revealing. If the person is acting unsavory, there's a chance they were always that way, only within Home, they can go about being that way more anonymously. That's the downfall to the internet.

I wrote the whole contest explanation in my previous post, and i feel like thats the whole point.

Im sorry if i am writing in a way that may seem a little aggressive, its not my intention, but yesterday i could "appreciate" a scene of a guy chatting about how they wanted to point their gun at the head of another person, then asking for his address. I pointed out how this was way excessive ( to say the least) other than a threat that goes way beyond any virtuality, only to get told to shut up by other people there.
Of course, no moderator in sight.

Yes, its virtual, until someone tells their real address to some potentially unstable guy who should be told how Home is not a place for death threats.


After that, i moved the camera around and i realized how trashy the whole scene was, GoGo items included. I felt like the line i mentioned in my other post was crossed.

Someone being dumb enough to give their real info to someone threatening them online, isn't Sony's problem or fault. That is on the person that was dumb enough to give their personal information out to a psycho.

With the imminent release of nice Harry Potter spaces that will surely attract many new people, i hope Sony will care a little more about real time moderation, or it could be a recipe for disaster.

I dont think an article on some mainstream newsite about virtual thugs cursing people trying Pottermore spaces will make great publicity

I would like to see more game related content in Home, even if it's just for a game that was made for Home only, but I'm not going to expect everything within Home to be all sunshine and rainbows, because I know there are people out there that Sony has no control over. The most they can do is, have moderation, which they have been lacking in badly. However, not even moderation can stop all unsightly behavior, especially when people can just make a new identity and go off being a degenerate again.

What people need to expect and be aware of about Home is, it's an online service that anyone can access, which can bring trouble and harassment to others. That's just how the internet is and will always be. But it can be cut down on, with proper moderation.

Honestly, I got the impression that you thought all of the bad behavior would be halted, if there were less of certain items in Home. Although, it seems in this post, you're looking for more moderation to be done in Home, which there should be.  I think the items are just fine in Home. It's the people that don't behave that need to be moderated better.

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Re: Please, no more clothes like the Gogo ones

Mar 27, 2013

I m euro, french more exactly, the country where we can make topless on beach without pbs!^^anyway, i share your opinion, why?

Because peoples on forum FORGET the principal:

HOME IS 13 RATED!

peoples (sony & devs) SHOULD never forget this FACT.

type gogo-dancer clothes on google, what do you see? hmmm,erotics (& porn) site which sell the EXACT SAME OUTFITS,now when you try to "visit" these sites a window appear, asking you if you are OVER18 (or 21); so in real life environement,authorithies assume than 13Y old CANT ACCESS to this sort of thing?

Parents ( and peoples) in home rly think than for a 13y old the NUANCES between virtuality and reality are CLEAR like cristal? IMO, the frontier is blurred, enought to not take any risk...

I HATE censory, RLY, i m very open minded, but i never forget THE CONTEXT!   =>    PS3 & 13rated!

HOME isn't second life or redlight center, and if many of users who buy these sort of clothes act like decent adult, many others (imatures, under-aged, trolls...) use them for weirdos behaviour...

we can be cute, sexy, desireable without these sorts of "things", imo!

SEX SELL, that's right, but gain 100 buyers and loose 1000 users isn't a "good deal" in my view,

imediate profits and short view....That'swhy Home die!

 

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evilfluffybunny wrote:

Here's a nice solution. Sony should stop trying to be the family friendly console. Nintendo has that covered.


M_C_A_S_ wrote:

ichibanluckycat wrote:
What's wrong with the violence. It's just pixels not real blood or weapons ಠ_ಠ

What's wrong with the bikinis. It's just pixels not real sex or nudity ಠ_ಠ


Glad to see I'm not the only one thinking those exact things. You can't rally against one and not the other, when you are arguing that Home is only a virtual world.




That is exactly the point I was making.  

 

Home isn't even a game.  It is a social network with a digital CGI interface.  The reason I even brought up the violent content in Home (and anyone suggesting there isn't any in Home, and pretend its all 'comical' violence is the one being delusional) is to expose the upside down morality some people have not just in Home, but in real life regarding sex and violence.  To me I just find that odd to say the least... But I totally get that a lot of people feel that way.

 

That said, and as I said before, it's just a virtual world, and it would be a good idea to separate what you see or even do in a virtual world from what you might see or do in the real world.  If not, then spending time in a virtual world may not be the best idea.

 

I definitely think drawing a line and thus dictating what others can or cannot wear, or what poses they can or cannot use beyond what the TOS and Home's limitations already impose on us, is not a good thing.  Frankly, I think Home should have even more variety, not less.  Even a nude beach space - it is after all just pixelated nudity.  If they can have a space like UPROAR which you don't have to be 18 to enter, then why not a nude beach?

Sony's PlayStation Home updated mission statement...


"Like it never happened"


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Re: Please, no more clothes like the Gogo ones

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I corrected the word context, which i have wrote as contest many times. As i wrote english is not my first language, so im sorry for the confusion.

@evilfluffy and D-Nitrate

I never meant that items are the only responsible, but they help to bring a certain atmosphere and behaviour. Of course people are responsible for causing issues, but it is Sony job to guarantee a decent environment.

Im italian, here being topless at the beach is not shocking or anything, as explained by Sorrow even if she is french.

Thats why i said that nudity isnt an issue, but it all depends on the context. I think i wrote 4 or 5 times that nudity is part of life, extremely normal, and violence is way worse. Im also perfectly able to distinguish virtual from real and this has nothing to do with the point im trying to make... No offence, but i think that in Europe we have the nudity vs violence argument much clearer than inthe US.


I feel like that if you want to impersonate a naked female avatar, there should be other places for you to go, not a social application for PlayStation gamers, soon to have Harry Potter spaces and items, ready for many young people to see. In reality, nudity isnt an issue, and being topless at the beach normal. In a virtual area for gamers, it may bring some behaviours that you would never see in a real environment, and that may be disruptive for everyone

Do you feel like a female avatar in the bending pose, wearing the GoGo bikini bottom suits an Harry Potter space where new Home users, kids too, will join and play? Maybe followed by a male avatar that places itself behind, as seen plenty pf times in the hub.
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Re: Please, no more clothes like the Gogo ones

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PinkJulia wrote:
I corrected the word context, which i have wrote as contest many times. As i wrote english is not my first language, so im sorry for the confusion.

@evilfluffy and D-Nitrate

I never meant that items are the only responsible, but they help to bring a certain atmosphere and behaviour. Of course people are responsible for causing issues, but it is Sony job to guarantee a decent environment.

Im italian, here being topless at the beach is not shocking or anything, as explained by Sorrow even if she is french.

Thats why i said that nudity isnt an issue, but it all depends on the context. I think i wrote 4 or 5 times that nudity is part of life, extremely normal, and violence is way worse. Im also perfectly able to distinguish virtual from real and this has nothing to do with the point im trying to make... No offence, but i think that in Europe we have the nudity vs violence argument much clearer than inthe US.


I feel like that if you want to impersonate a naked female avatar, there should be other places for you to go, not a social application for PlayStation gamers, soon to have Harry Potter spaces and items, ready for many young people to see. In reality, nudity isnt an issue, and being topless at the beach normal. In a virtual area for gamers, it may bring some behaviours that you would never see in a real environment, and that may be disruptive for everyone

Do you feel like a female avatar in the bending pose, wearing the GoGo bikini bottom suits an Harry Potter space where new Home users, kids too, will join and play? Maybe followed by a male avatar that places itself behind, as seen plenty pf times in the hub.

There is a place you can go where that sort of thing is common place. Second Life. There you can act as lascivious as you like, but there you have to pay for everything.  Plus there your not going to stand out since It's pretty common behavior. I'm sure the class clowns of home already know this and come to home to push the indecency envelope as far as possible to get the attention they so sorely desire. When you take a look at Mass media in general it all boils down to shock value. Home is a part of that. I know this a pessimistic statement, but I only see things going more downhill from here. I hope I'm wrong in this case though.Woman Happy

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Re: Please, no more clothes like the Gogo ones

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Do you feel like a female avatar in the bending pose, wearing the GoGo bikini bottom suits an Harry Potter space where new Home users, kids too, will join and play? 

No it doesn't suit it (to me), just as it doesn't suit (to me) having avatars with machine guns or running around wearing the Scream outfit using the special slashing animation on other avatars in the LittleBigPlanet space:

 

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But what are you suggesting Sony do?   Do you really think it's a good idea to restrict certain outfits, LMOs, companions, even additional censoring of specific words in text chat in specific spaces, and if so once again, where are you going to draw the line?

 

Look, I really do understand your concern, but it's such a personal issue on where you might draw a line.  That line may be very different for someone else... Whose line is right?

 

At the end of the day we all have to make decisions for ourselves what we feel is appropriate and what we feel is not, and fortunately in a virtual world it is VERY easy to avoid what we personally feel is inappropriate.  Either you can chose to not look at it, or if that is impossible to do, move to a different area.  If that isn't possible, move to a different space.  If that isn't possible, log off.

 

While I would love it if Home was designed specifically with just my own sensibilities in mind, frankly many would probably not like that.  Home is clearly designed to appeal to a wide variety of users (although they do seem to be losing a lot of gamers with the lack of non Home game related content), and one of the draw backs to freedom of choice is that you will always run into people that don't share your own personal feelings about what is appropriate and what isn't.  

 

That said, do you really feel Home should have even more restrictions than it already has?  I seriously doubt that would have the kind of outcome you are hoping for.

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The Little Big Planet space is already empty, just like most of the few games related spaces that are abandoned. I think that kind of shows my point.

I understand what you mean, but you are exagerating my opinion, i never talked about restrictions for several things. I just pointed out how the lack of control on few items that really do feel out of place in Home and lack of moderation will compromise also upcoming spaces like the Harry Potter one.



Anyway, we will see what happen, i guess.
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PinkJulia wrote:
Do you feel like a female avatar in the bending pose, wearing the GoGo bikini bottom suits an Harry Potter space where new Home users, kids too, will join and play? 

No it doesn't suit it (to me), just as it doesn't suit (to me) having avatars with machine guns or running around wearing the Scream outfit using the special slashing animation on other avatars in the LittleBigPlanet space:

 

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But what are you suggesting Sony do?   Do you really think it's a good idea to restrict certain outfits, LMOs, companions, even additional censoring of specific words in text chat in specific spaces, and if so once again, where are you going to draw the line?

 

Look, I really do understand your concern, but it's such a personal issue on where you might draw a line.  That line may be very different for someone else... Whose line is right?

 

At the end of the day we all have to make decisions for ourselves what we feel is appropriate and what we feel is not, and fortunately in a virtual world it is VERY easy to avoid what we personally feel is inappropriate.  Either you can chose to not look at it, or if that is impossible to do, move to a different area.  If that isn't possible, move to a different space.  If that isn't possible, log off.

 

While I would love it if Home was designed specifically with just my own sensibilities in mind, frankly many would probably not like that.  Home is clearly designed to appeal to a wide variety of users (although they do seem to be losing a lot of gamers with the lack of non Home game related content), and one of the draw backs to freedom of choice is that you will always run into people that don't share your own personal feelings about what is appropriate and what isn't.  

 

That said, do you really feel Home should have even more restrictions than it already has?  I seriously doubt that would have the kind of outcome you are hoping for.


When I was growing up there was a thing called Community Standards. There where monthly meetings and anyone living contrary to those standards was fined until they complied. Was It the best solution? Maybe not who can say, but it did make the community run a lot smoother. No one likes to be restricted, but the line has to be draw somewhere someone has to bare that responsibility. Other wise the lunatics run the asylum and everyone loses.

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