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Ghost of Sparta
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Re: How to Achieve the Best Audio Experience

Jun 16, 2013

I have Samsung HT-C6930W and I use LPCM 7.1, Default Dynamic Range and Small Center Speaker.

 

ps: There is a post from a ND dev (audio/sound engineer) in an audiophile forum that explains Uncharted audio settings in detail, but I can't find it right now. You'd better Google it.

http://community.us.playstation.com/t5/The-Last-of-Us-Multiplayer/Ping-filter-toggle-SUPPORT-for-less-lag/m-p/40782623
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Re: How to Achieve the Best Audio Experience

Jun 16, 2013

Anything special taht should be done for those of us using headphones ? I'm picking up that sony headset with the 7.1 when I pick up my game. Which setting should I be on ( don't give me a look, I don't know what the options are for this game, lol).

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Re: How to Achieve the Best Audio Experience

Jun 16, 2013

TurdHaT wrote:
I had no issues hearing dialog. I have used a db meter to make sure all speakers are the same. 

Although your methodology is probably right, I have a hearing issue, and that doesn't fix it.  Only changing the levels of non-audio downward does it.   It would be like you telling me about screen settings for my tv when I'm actually blind...




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Re: How to Achieve the Best Audio Experience

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If you want the explanation straight from Naughty Dog (edit: what Tap was referencing), here is one from Johnathan Lanier, a senior programmer at Naughty Dog, about the Audio Settings in Uncharted 2:

 

"What's the best audio setting to use? Last night I had it on LPCM 7.1 with the 'default' dynamic range. Think I should change the dynamic range?"

 

"Actually, the dynamic range menu option in U2 isn't *exactly* the same as a processor's DRC, but it is similar in many respects. You are correct that it's really all about how much difference exists between the loudest and softest sounds. In U2, the dynamic range game audio setting breaks down as follows.

Default: The game picks what it thinks is the most appropriate compression based on your output format. This will be 'Wide' if you have 'Stereo Headphones' selected, 'Normal' if any discrete multichannel output 5.1 or better is selected, or 'Narrow' if 'Stereo' or 'Dolby PLII' is selected. Note that 'Maximum' and 'Midnight' are not in this list; those have to be set explicitly.

Maximum: No dynamic range compression applied at all.

Wide: A small amount of dynamic range compression is applied; threshold for volume maximization is -4.0dB.

Normal: A medium amount of dynamic range compression is applied; threshold for volume maximization is -8.0dB.

Narrow: A large amount of dynamic range compression is applied; threshold for volume maximization is -10.0dB. This really squashes the dynamic range, but makes quiet sounds perceptible on poor fidelity systems. Like, your average TV set.

Midnight: A very large amount of dynamic range compression is applied; threshold for volume maximization is -16.0dB, and the volume is also scaled back quite a bit. The end result, is almost everything sounds the same volume. Also, the LFE channel is disabled in this mode. Meant for playing the game at very low volume levels late at night.

If you ask me, the amount of dynamic range you want is going to be based on more about whether or not you like what you hear. 'Maximum' is the way the game was mixed, with reference monitors. However, unless you are listening in a room that has very good acoustic treatment, the quiet bits might be a tad too quiet with all compression disabled. The default dynamic range will pick 'Normal' on any 5.1/7.1 setup, which should hopefully not sound too squashed. I'd be keen to hear feedback from audiophiles about what they think about the fidelity of these different modes.

I cringe when I see forum posts where people suggest setting the option to 'Midnight' to make anything louder. I'm quite sure they aren't aware they're ruining the fidelity (and losing their sub!) with that option. A true shame none of this information was printed in the instruction manual. Oh well...

And while I'm on the topic of U2 audio options, note that the center channel size defaults to 'small', and for good reason. It isn't just about having a full-range center, though if you don't, I CERTAINLY wouldn't pick 'large' unless you have good bass management. What it is really for is to manage whether or not FX pan across the center or not. Dialog always pans across center, but in movies, most FX generally don't. In games, since much of the action happens up front, even with full-range centers, putting all of the volume in one speaker for all the dialog *and* FX happening directly in front of you generally doesn't sound as good as spreading the power for the FX around to the front mains. It also can make the sound field feel a bit narrower. Movies don't generally spread FX across center for the same reason, so I don't see why games should. However, if you've got a 5.1/7.1 setup where all 3 front speakers are identical, and you like the way it sounds spreading the effects across center, then by all means go for it. The reason this option even exists, is because unlike a movie, the game mixes its dialog and effects on-the-fly, so there is no reason to force the user to have (or not have) 'phantom center' for FX

The normal setting will bring up some of the quieter bits, and add a bit of punch as well. The volume maximization we're using is technically a form of distortion, but if not abused it can make it 'rock' a bit more. I'm worried that we might have put too much dynamic range in on maximum. We just didn't want to sacrifice dynamic range for the sake of people with TVs that couldn't reproduce it, so by adding in the DR option we hoped to have our cake and eat it too. Uncharted 2 is the first PS3 game to use this technology, though I expect you'll be seeing more of it in the future. I'm not sure we dialed it in perfectly, but we tried. Mixing was done in a very short amount of time, unfortunately. If it rocks on normal, then by all means leave it there; the distortion applied is certainly no worse than that used by most modern music production (i.e. the 'loudness wars')."

 

"How does the PCM 5.1 option compare to DD5.1?"

 

"The LPCM options will always sound better than DD or DTS options, because the audio doesn't have to be transcoded into another compressed format. The game internally stores audio in a variety of compressed formats (**bleep**, MP3), decompresses it as sounds are synthesized and mixed, and then has to recompress the final result if DD or DTS is selected. If LPCM is selected, that last lossy recompresssion step doesn't have to happen.

If you don't have HDMI, LPCM output is limited to 2 channels over the optical output, so you're better off sticking with DTS and DD, in that order (DTS is less lossy than DD). In fact, if you leave the output format setting on 'default', the game will do this for you; the best mode possible is always selected automatically based on the audio settings you've enabled in the PS3 OS XMB.

Overriding the default is most useful when you are using an output format the game can't detect, such as headphones (uses a completely different panning algorithm) or stereo (default 2-channel output is Dolby PLII, which doesn't sound good when played on a device without a surround decoder, like a TV). Or if you just want to do A/B comparisons of the different modes. But if you do that, bear in mind you're not A/B'ng game audio assets or the codecs themselves; you're comparing the PS3's internal realtime compression modes for those formats (DD, DTS), which due to their realtime nature are never as optimal as content that is compressed offline."

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Re: How to Achieve the Best Audio Experience

Jun 17, 2013

thanks for posting, very interesting from ND dev.

 

TLoU, unlike Uncharted, does have a stereo headset option. i guess ill just experiment on my own.

Also, isnt TLoU supposed to get its own Sonly Pulse Mode, a la Bioshock?

source:

http://www.radioplaystation.com/blog/the-last-of-us-to-have-sony-pulse-elite-sound-preset/

 

i guess the new mode wouldnt appear in the app till the PS store is updated?

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Re: How to Achieve the Best Audio Experience

Jun 17, 2013

I still don't understand all the Audio talk jargen.. can you simplfy for me, So I know what audio settings are best for me.

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Re: How to Achieve the Best Audio Experience

Jun 17, 2013
Oh hell. My apologies if I missed that part of your post. I didnt not realize you have hearing issues.
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Re: How to Achieve the Best Audio Experience

Jun 17, 2013
Use LPCM if you are hdmi. Other wise use DTS and Dolby Digital.if you can't use DTS. Dynamice range to max IMO so that the sound comes out as it was recording in their studio.
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Re: How to Achieve the Best Audio Experience

Jun 17, 2013

I'm using Turtle Beach PX11's. I wish I knew which settings were the best. ;D

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Re: How to Achieve the Best Audio Experience

Jun 28, 2013
Guys I've enabled pcm in my audio settings, but I don't see any such options on the game though. Right now using Dolby pro logic 2, with default range settings.

I'm using the 7.1 Sharkoon S7 headset.

Is this good or could my setup be better?
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