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Re: I cried and I am not ashamed

Sep 28, 2013
Heh you did Smiley Wink
Though I am the guy who retracted his statement (again, we should differentiate between hate and "hate").
I still felt that at parts he Xould have done Ellie more justice, while I also try to understand why he did not (which is difficult because I have to substitute Sarah for X, while I wish there was more to see before her passing)
I think it is fair to say this game left me emotionally disturbed and slightly unfilled ;P
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Re: I cried and I am not ashamed

Sep 28, 2013

MaidenVelka wrote:

You also have to remember that Joel had every intention of talking to Ellie about going off with Tommy.  He wanted to first determine that he could convince his brother to do the task; it would be pointless to go through the rollercoaster with Ellie if he had to finish escorting her anyway.  He specifically says to Ellie that they will talk about "it" later, likely when not in public view.

 

If the game had played out this way, without Ellie running off and having to be tracked to the Ranch House, the outcome would have probably been the same, probably.  Ellie would have made Joel realize who she is, and who she is not, and they would have continued on together.  Joel was simply making a mistake, an emotional one, but his heart corrected this in the end.

 

You, no1_narwhal_fan, only stated that you were angry with Joel, and it was in part because you stopped playing before he could correct his mistake.  This is completely understandable.  Becoming angry with someone is acceptable so long as they are given a chance (if that chance is deserved, which I would hope it is in Joel's case) to make ammends.

Someone else wrote that they hated Joel because of the Ranch House, and that is actually what I wrote my long explanation for (that person has retracted their hate, thankfully).  I was angry with him.  You deny Ellie's existence if you aren't angry with Joel at that part lol.  Only a few minutes later Joel was back in my good graces (as a player) because he came to terms with his and Ellie's relationship.

 

Also, I know that I was overreacting in the first place.  Were talking about digital characters, and the use of the word 'hate' on a forum is not the same as it would be in real life.  Someone tells me they hate someone I care about in real life and I attempt to figure out why, or correct the issue.  It's only because I, all of us, have become so attached to them that I even wrote as much as I did haha.


Yup, I changed my opinion about Joel several times during the game and that's because he's so human.

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Re: I cried and I am not ashamed

Sep 28, 2013
I Kudo'd that sir, because I completely agree. Joel may be the most human game character yet (excluding his seemingly robotic thighs).
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Re: I cried and I am not ashamed

Sep 30, 2013
I am brand new to the playstation universe just bought one on the 25th of this month. But I do have to admit that this game has absolutely blown my mind due to the quality of the game in general.
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Re: I cried and I am not ashamed

Sep 30, 2013

they should have let you kill the giraffes so you could have some meat through the winter.

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Re: I cried and I am not ashamed

Sep 30, 2013

the giraffes were in spring. that's a long way to winter.

 

there was no way the meat could've survived all the way to winter unless Joel and Ellie were lugging a big functioning freezer with them the whole time.

yeehaw i'm a cowboy now
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Re: I cried and I am not ashamed

Sep 30, 2013

no1_narwhal_fan wrote:

MaidenVelka wrote:

You also have to remember that Joel had every intention of talking to Ellie about going off with Tommy.  He wanted to first determine that he could convince his brother to do the task; it would be pointless to go through the rollercoaster with Ellie if he had to finish escorting her anyway.  He specifically says to Ellie that they will talk about "it" later, likely when not in public view.

 

If the game had played out this way, without Ellie running off and having to be tracked to the Ranch House, the outcome would have probably been the same, probably.  Ellie would have made Joel realize who she is, and who she is not, and they would have continued on together.  Joel was simply making a mistake, an emotional one, but his heart corrected this in the end.

 

You, no1_narwhal_fan, only stated that you were angry with Joel, and it was in part because you stopped playing before he could correct his mistake.  This is completely understandable.  Becoming angry with someone is acceptable so long as they are given a chance (if that chance is deserved, which I would hope it is in Joel's case) to make ammends.

Someone else wrote that they hated Joel because of the Ranch House, and that is actually what I wrote my long explanation for (that person has retracted their hate, thankfully).  I was angry with him.  You deny Ellie's existence if you aren't angry with Joel at that part lol.  Only a few minutes later Joel was back in my good graces (as a player) because he came to terms with his and Ellie's relationship.

 

Also, I know that I was overreacting in the first place.  Were talking about digital characters, and the use of the word 'hate' on a forum is not the same as it would be in real life.  Someone tells me they hate someone I care about in real life and I attempt to figure out why, or correct the issue.  It's only because I, all of us, have become so attached to them that I even wrote as much as I did haha.


Yup, I changed my opinion about Joel several times during the game and that's because he's so human.


This is a german song, but man, this text (original in german) is extrem near to what joel is and I'm sure he feels this way.

 

The sun’s passing by,
although it actually stands
While the world next to it
slowly perishes.

 

And when it begins to dawn
and the night arises
A ruin starts,
that kills every day.

 

What this world declines during the day,
is invited by it at night,
And one of its shadows
will be made by me.

 

Everyone offers to swap
dark sides of soul,
Between people who search each other
and find nothing but intoxication.

 

They grab for me and occasionally
they can catch me
Pull me down into the bunker
full of gloomy grimaces.

 

Here I can overcome boundaries
and gamble my soul away,
Or find an angel and rescue me.

 Could the possibility
to see no sunrise anymore
Take away the joy of life?

 

Tonight I share the weights with everyone
In the misery of our suffer,
in fear of life and death.

 

In this lifelong fight
that makes sick and weak,
I’m addicted to everything
that weakens me

 

Fight against accepting what hurts,
Just to never admit
I ever made a mistake.

 

But if it’s true that
you only get perfect when you make mistakes
And that everyone who is addicted to life
because of fear is totally wrong,
Then the pain to leave behind
is nothing compared to the pain
When everything is taken.

 

In a stormy night
dreams vanish like candlelight,
And who doesn’t talk by heart,
bears a pain inside,
Covers and hides
behind a thousand excuses.

 

I should pray,
but anything is against it,
I want to forgive,
because the doubts stab my life,
I cannot believe,
my love is destroyed by the ego.

 

I want to trust
and I don’t know how to do that,
I do not see dawn,
no, I only see dense fog,
I’m gagged on the floor,
nearly trampled to death,
But I won’t die like that,
I didn’t plan to give up,
I will change this life
and I will survive it.

 

A new morning will come
and it brings hope for everyone
Who awakens reborn with pain
from the coma,
To let the fire of the heart
ignite once again.

That spend life every day

in these hands,
So light
brings the end of the night.

 

 

The Last Words of this Song, should probably say Ellie...

 

You are not alone,
I’m always here, to be there.

It’s only up to you.

 

"So don’t tell us we’d be happy with some other characters/games because the truth is, we’d just be more disappointed." - conquerator3

Status:
❒ single ❒ taken ✔ Joel

TLOU2:
Ellie: I've listen to your lie, and your story. And I can't take it anymore.
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Re: I cried and I am not ashamed

Sep 30, 2013
And at the end of the day
as my hope is washed away
A new girl comes towards me
To give sense to my life and save me

Hehe, sorry Smiley Very Happy
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