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Re: My thoughts on the ending. SPOILERS!!!

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When are we told Joel isn't one? That's the entire point, man. He isn't a hero, he is a protagonist. That's all. 90% of his actions make him one. I can't rationalist why you think his character would suddenly change. If anything it would have been sloppy writing to make him break character that way.


It is called redeeming one's self. When you live a terrible life and then you have a choice to redeem yourself you should always take it. I dislike the character because of his choice. I would not want to play another game with him as the main character as I have no respect for Joel now.

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Mega8BitPanda wrote:

When are we told Joel isn't one? That's the entire point, man. He isn't a hero, he is a protagonist. That's all. 90% of his actions make him one. I can't rationalist why you think his character would suddenly change. If anything it would have been sloppy writing to make him break character that way.


It is called redeeming one's self. When you live a terrible life and then you have a choice to redeem yourself you should always take it. I dislike the character because of his choice. I would not want to play another game with him as the main character as I have no respect for Joel now.


That "redemption" is purely subjective. It would mean killing an innocent, so far we know Joel has only killed in self defense. So by saving Ellie he can at least say his hands are clean, he can't be held responsible for the entire world when their are others out there who are immune. Again, it wasn't a black and white as Ellie dies, it could have been for nothing and then Joel would probably have broken, quite frankly, on top of his personal investment in saving Ellie and his psyche.

 

Remember, Ellie is 14. Honestly, I wouldn't condone that under any circumstances. 

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Lol this guy.
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^ I agree for the most part, but Joel is a cold hearted man. Sometimes he kills people for nothing, or doesn't help.

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I thought the story and ending was beautifully done and I'm glad there wasn't a choice at the end.  This wouldn't be much of a story if the player got to decide how it ended.

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Saying Joel only kills in self defense is a stretch. He said in the game "I've been on both sides".
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plaZeHD7 wrote:

^ I agree for the most part, but Joel is a cold hearted man. Sometimes he kills people for nothing, or doesn't help.


True that actually, completely forgot about the beginning when he drove past a family. Though could rationalise that as he was more hoping someone would come by for them, genuinely, and was purely focused on his little daughter. 

 

Could refresh me on who he kills for nothing? I think a second playthrough is in order...


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Saying Joel only kills in self defense is a stretch. He said in the game "I've been on both sides"." That would be the ticket. Completely forgot about that line. 

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