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Feb 01 2014
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Portrayal of Women in TLOU

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TLOU has been praised for it's treatment of women in the game, some even calling it revolutionary.  In my opinion, it was a meaningful step in the right direction but it still has some issues in that regard.  On the whole Naughty Dog should be praised because they did do a lot of good.  They fought to get Ellie on the cover, ensured there were female playtesters and tried to represent different demographics of characters but we should look at the bigger picture.

 

TLOU did not sexualize it's characters.  TLOU's female characters have multi-dimensional personalities.  TLOU's female characters have an impact on the story.  These three things alone put TLOU above most games out there.

 

But there's another metric that people forget.  Do the female characters in games have their own motives and live to pursue their own dreams, or are they purely in the narrative just to affect the lives of male characters?

 

This is where TLOU has some trouble.


On a good note, Marlene was a strong independent character who weighed a complex moral dillema with a sense of depth.  On a bad note, Sarah and Tess were just martyrs to fuel Joel's character growth.  They existed in the narrative purely to affect the male character.


And there's Ellie.  Non-sexualized.  Multi-dimensional.  Big impact on the story.  From a personality standpoint, she's an excellent character.  But it's hard to say what purpose Ellie had in the story.  She was always kind of there just to make Joel less lonely and to fill the void in Joel's life.  She's there to affect Joel.  But what motivation does she truly have for living?  Not much.

 

Treating women like humans isn't some shining gold standard.  It should be the bare minimum.

 

And TLOU is an important game to discuss this with.  It represents both how far we have to come and how far we have to go.


Props to the people at ND for making the effort to get this ball rolling.  Even if it is imperfect, they started something that could be continued on from. 

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Re: Portrayal of Women in TLOU

Feb 1, 2014

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And there's Ellie.  Non-sexualized.  Multi-dimensional.  Big impact on the story.  From a personality standpoint, she's an excellent character.  But it's hard to say what purpose Ellie had in the story.  She was always kind of there just to make Joel less lonely and to fill the void in Joel's life.  She's there to affect Joel.  But what motivation does she truly have for living?  Not much.

 

Treating women like humans isn't some shining gold standard.  It should be the bare minimum.

 



I disagree.  She wasn't just there to affect Joel, she was there voluntarily.  She was immune to the infection and she went on a journey with Joel with the hopes of saving humanity with a vaccine taken from her blood.   That was her purpose.

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Feb 1, 2014

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DeterministBane wrote:

 


And there's Ellie.  Non-sexualized.  Multi-dimensional.  Big impact on the story.  From a personality standpoint, she's an excellent character.  But it's hard to say what purpose Ellie had in the story.  She was always kind of there just to make Joel less lonely and to fill the void in Joel's life.  She's there to affect Joel.  But what motivation does she truly have for living?  Not much.

 

Treating women like humans isn't some shining gold standard.  It should be the bare minimum.

 



I disagree.  She wasn't just there to affect Joel, she was there voluntarily.  She was immune to the infection and she went on a journey with Joel with the hopes of saving humanity with a vaccine taken from her blood.   That was her purpose.


+1

She wanted to lead a normal life after that. Who knows, she might,

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Feb 1, 2014

conquerator3 wrote:

sweetcastlemagic wrote:

DeterministBane wrote:

 


And there's Ellie.  Non-sexualized.  Multi-dimensional.  Big impact on the story.  From a personality standpoint, she's an excellent character.  But it's hard to say what purpose Ellie had in the story.  She was always kind of there just to make Joel less lonely and to fill the void in Joel's life.  She's there to affect Joel.  But what motivation does she truly have for living?  Not much.

 

Treating women like humans isn't some shining gold standard.  It should be the bare minimum.

 



I disagree.  She wasn't just there to affect Joel, she was there voluntarily.  She was immune to the infection and she went on a journey with Joel with the hopes of saving humanity with a vaccine taken from her blood.   That was her purpose.


+1

She wanted to lead a normal life after that. Who knows, she might,


Yeah she did.  But she wanted to help humanity, that's why she agreed to go.  I remember some dialogue in the game.  Ellie asked Joel how they'll make a vaccine, and Joel said "probably just take some blood, it's no big deal".  So I don't think Ellie knew she had to die in order for the docs to attempt the vaccine.  So I agree, she wanted to help humanity, but she also wanted to live a normal life after giving some blood to the fireflies.

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Feb 2, 2014

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On a bad note, Sarah and Tess were just martyrs to fuel Joel's character growth.  They existed in the narrative purely to affect the male character.

Tess was Joels lover. Obviously, they were having sex. & Tess had her own personal motives as well: To Survive

Sarah is Ellie...if Ellie grew up in a non-violent world.

 

Sarah doesn't need to have a "motive"....

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Feb 2, 2014

DeterministBane wrote:

 

And there's Ellie.  Non-sexualized.  Multi-dimensional.  Big impact on the story.  From a personality standpoint, she's an excellent character.  But it's hard to say what purpose Ellie had in the story.  She was always kind of there just to make Joel less lonely and to fill the void in Joel's life.  She's there to affect Joel.  But what motivation does she truly have for living?  Not much.

 

Treating women like humans isn't some shining gold standard.  It should be the bare minimum.

 


Wrong. At the giraffe scene, Joel says to Ellie that they do not have to do this. But Ellie decides "that it can't be for nothing". Clearly Ellie has motivations of her own. And so did Tess obviously. 

 

Sarah not having any motivations of her own? She wanted to stop and help the people on the road! 

 

And clearly Maria also had motivations of her own (she want Tommy to stay home). 

 

Your criticism is so off base, that I believe you to be a troll. 

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Feb 2, 2014

As much as TLoU had positive, muti dimentional female characters and as much as everyone loves Ellie it's still basically Joels story.

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Feb 2, 2014
^ No. It's their story. Combined effort.
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Feb 3, 2014
I don't get why you have to separate each gender like this.
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Feb 3, 2014
I don't think Joel and Tess had sex lol, near the beginning Joel states how Tess always turned him down, so he's obviously tried with no luck...
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