I just love having these debates; it makes the game so much better.
Just want to finalize that there are villains: David, by not taking loss of his men to well, and not taking rejection to well from a 14 year old girl, clearly put himself and his whole clan in unnecessary danger. Had he just been a survivor he would have taken the wise choice and just taken the hunted game and let bigons be bigons.
And Ellie is clearly a hero. No need to even discuss.
So, its not just survivors in TLOU.
It will be. In the meantime, feel free to carefully construct your own argument that includes supporting evidence from the narrative!
Oh, believe me, I will be.
You are sooooooooo wrong. That surgeon pulled his scalpel on Joel. It's not like he killed everyone in the operating room. And Ellie specifically described Marlene as a friend in the chapter "the cargo". Yeah that totally screams mother-daughter relationship. She just knew her since birth. Whenever you're in Pittsburgh there is an optional conversation outside a military school and Ellie describes it as "a fancy word for orphanage" so you wanna tell me again how Marlene is Ellie's "adopted mother"?
This is all true, and I don't deny that Ellie doesn't view Marlene as her true mother. But come on, keeping a baby alive that type of world??? You think it was the Firefly's??? Clearly Marlene went through more sacrifices than one can imagine, as she is the only adolescent that I seen besides the African American's little brother, who, survived soly because the utmost sacrifice of his brother.
Ellie didn't tell Joel much of anything in that conversation; she was if anything avoiding the topic.
She didn't call Marlene an orphanage, but military school.
Lastly, the queen firefly constantly crying over the death of someone like her adopted daughter. You don't get that from one of the lead terrorists, unless there is a big attachment.
In support of Joel's characterization as a villian, here's a link to my argument:
Just thought this might support your point, OP.